BBC Top Story. Diesel & Petrol cars banned from 2040

Johno100

Any announcement will morph into no new diesel or petrol only vehicles, perhaps with electric power only within city centres. The non-plugin small engined petrol hybrid will become the dominant technology way past 2040.

warehouse

By 2040 the self driving cars will have done away with car ownership meaning far less vehicles on the roads anyway. In fact I'd say this will be the case well before 2030, let alone 2040.

bertiewhite

thescouselander wrote: »

Sounds like another government cockup on the making. It's not going to be possible to go electric without serious investment in the national grid and power generating infrastructure. No announcement on that though.

Labour are whining that it's not soon enough and doesn't go far enough so presumably it would be an even bigger cockup for them. Funnily enough though, I don't remember seeing it on their manifesto?

maximania

parking_question_chap wrote: »

Never going to happen if the only alternative is electric from an on board battery. You either need a shed load of coal fired power stations, which means swapping pollution from one type of fossil fuel to another (totally pointness). Other option would be to build several more nuclear power stations, which is probably even less popular than fossil fuels.

Even a quick calculation shows that if all the petrol cars in the Uk were changed to electric you would only need 8Gw of renewables to supply it. The current Solar and wind farms are twice that capacity already.

The issue of electric demand is just another untruth spread about by the petrol industry. People forget that this is going to happen .. France Germany and a good portion of Europe are all commited to this process.

We kill 40,000 people a year from toxic air pollution..is it time we faced up to that reality?

parking_question_chap

warehouse wrote: »

By 2040 the self driving cars will have done away with car ownership meaning far less vehicles on the roads anyway. In fact I'd say this will be the case well before 2030, let alone 2040.

So do "self driving" cars not require fuel?

parking_question_chap

maximania wrote: »

Even a quick calculation shows that if all the petrol cars in the Uk were changed to electric you would only need 8Gw of renewables to supply it. The current Solar and wind farms are twice that capacity already.

The issue of electric demand is just another untruth spread about by the petrol industry. People forget that this is going to happen .. France Germany and a good portion of Europe are all commited to this process.

We kill 40,000 people a year from toxic air pollution..is it time we faced up to that reality?

Care to post up this "quick calculation"?

What happens on cloudy days? How are you storing all this energy?

Energy storage is the main issue with renewable.

And how about all the energy required to build these replacement cars? And the fossil fuels that are use in the component parts?

Nobbie1967

maximania wrote: »

Your fogetting that it takes a LOT of electricty to manufacture petrol.

My Average ICE will go 40mile on one gallon
My wifes Electric car can go 20 miles on the same amount of electricty used to produce a my gallon of petrol.

That sounded wrong, so I googled it, turns out it's just propaganda from a manufacturer of electric vehicles.

https://www.cfr.org/blog-post/do-gasoline-based-cars-really-use-more-electricity-electric-vehicles-do

Most of the energy used to refine petrol is not electricity.

rob7475

rob7475 wrote: »

Another worrying thought.........

In 2041, when all the petrol stations have closed and Romanians are no longer allowed into the country following brexit, who's going to man all the hand car washes that will open on the old petrol station sites

wongataa wrote: »

Why would petrol stations have closed in 2041. How would we fuel all the ICE vehicles bought before 2040? It is not ban all petrol/diesel cars in 2040, just sales of new ones.

It was a light hearted comment. I forgot only serious 100% factual comments are allowed these days. I'll take myself into a quiet corner and have a word with myself

Cornucopia

I agree that battery-electric technology for cars has a way to go, yet.

I saw a YT video the other day with a very proud Electric car owner demonstrating how his 53 mile range was really "not that much of a issue". Perhaps not for "town cars", but what about everyone else?

I do think that self-drive and other vehicle pickup schemes will solve part of the issue. The car that picks you up (or you pick up) will already have maximum charge without you having to do anything, and you potentially fill the gap in your journey with public transport. Or perhaps car-carrier public transport?

Whether all of this is enough, I'm not sure. I'd like to understand more about the competing technologies, in particular compressed air (which has the potential for short range, but cheap, immediate top-up).

The reporting around Hydrogen always seems to be along the lines that it is either a new fuel in its own right, or that it is a viable storage method for energy. Neither of those is particularly feasible based on current knowledge & technology. In particular, splitting Hydrogen from water using electrolysis requires massive amounts of electricity, and the bulk Hydrogen produced would still require distribution as a hazardous material in much the same way as Petrol.

henry24

Not far from my home is a field with diesel engines in it to produce electricity if we get low, maybe if we all have electric cars we need more fields full of these people won't see them so everything's good.