BBC Top Story. Diesel & Petrol cars banned from 2040

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Jackmydad wrote: »

Government planning what to do 20 years in the future. :rotfl:

The policy will have changed umpteen times by 2040. Not so long ago it was "Vote blue get green", then shortly after it was "Cut the green cr*p". In fact more recently it was "Let's electrify Great Western" and now that's gone west this week.

unholyangel

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

It absolutely is. Oil is refined into different products by fractional distillation.

I know its refined into different products, but afaik (unless something has changed in the last 20 years or unless the BP have been doing it wrong all these years), aviation fuel is one of the first things to be distilled from crude oil - the further on you go, the less "pure" the fuel. Petrol is one of the ones at the bottom end of the process.

Sort of like how in chinese cooking, you tend to use all your scraps. Crude oil is supposed to be similar, with petrol being a product of the scraps for lack of a better explanation.

Ectophile

kmb500 wrote: »

By all means, introduce incentives for people to buy electric cars. And spend money on infrastructure to support that, so that electric cars are a genuine alternative to petrol/diesel. But outright banning products from being sold is ridiculous. Whatever happened to us living in a free market? If manufacturers want to make petrol cars and consumers want to buy them then since when is it the governments duty to tell us whether we can do that?


I will never buy an electric car. Not now, not in 23 years time.

What's the free market got to do with it?

The last time I looked, I'm not allowed to buy guns (or even things that look like guns), explosives, many drugs, many animal parts, and so on.

If the government decides that something is harmful, they ban it. The free market doesn't get a say in the matter.

PasturesNew

That's when they ban making them... they'll still exist.
I won't exist by then. So not on my radar to care what they choose to do.

forgotmyname

Bit of a minefield... The BBC seem to have posted it first then loads of other sites posted up the same thing with identical wording.

So many replies, a few things stick though.

Someone mentioned batteries are better than carrying around a flammable liquid. Err will that be the flammable batteries?
Google how many Tesla's have caught fire?

Extraction of the minerals required to make these batteries have a huge effect on the planet. Many tons of material to extract a eggcup of the materials. Are those machines electric?

When they say ban petrol and diesel, i wonder by that time if hybrid's will be OK?

Nephews got the Honda hybrid, an odd one that cannot move under battery power alone? 48mpg. Surely they didnt need to add a motor to do that?

Someone also mentioned not everyone fills up at 5:30 on their way home. No not everyone but enough every single day for there to be a decent sized queue every morning and evening at my local petrol station.

AnotherJoe

Ebe_Scrooge wrote: »

I just hope the manufacturers put some serious investment into battery technology. Otherwise those of us that need to make a journey of more than a couple of hundred miles are going to be a bit snookered

My wifes petrol engined car has a range of 250 miles. I've found that when it approaches that limit, you can extend the range by "filling up" at a petrol station. I'm sure you do this in your car from time to time?

The same applies to battery cars. You will have to stop for longer but if you are driving 200-300 miles and then only stopping for 5 minutes to fill up before carrying on, you would benefit from a break as its dangerous, many companies now wont allow their employees to do more than around 200 miles in a day anyway.

FWIW cars are available now (at a price) that will do 300+ real world miles. Technology and mass production will bring the price down.

welshdent

Good to see the support for EVs. I'm a big fan.y partner and I have a leaf on a 2 year pcp. It has saved us an absolute fortune. So much so we will
Be trading the ice in for a the very least, a plug in hybrid or a long range ev.

Some observations. Firstly electric cars are great to drive. Quiet. Quick. Regen breaking is fantastic.

I think range extenders rather than hybrids would be better. A BMW i3 will accelerate as fast as an m3. Is quick. It runs totally from an electric motor and battery. However there is a range extender version which has a 5l tank supplying a small scooter engine. This will charge the battery and give around 70 miles extra range. The engine is far smaller than a comparable engine that would power a car directly. It has far less emissions and far more efficiency. A slightly bigger battery and a slightly bigger tank and all of a sudden you have a powerful car with a long range and minimal emissions. Imagine say a jag being powered by a scooter engine. It's very much doable.

Petrol stations won't go. They will morph in to cafes with rapid charging bays.

welshdent

Batteries by the way are very long lasting. Even in smaller capacity packs which require more frequent charges. After their useful life they can be recycled and repurposed.

That's assuming we can't do much with sodium ion solid state batteries and are reliant on lithium ion batteries.

Also. As batteries come down in price. You can in effect have a new car by replacing the pack if there is significant degradation. It will be a lot cheaper and easier to replace a battery pack than say an engine after a cam shaft goes.

Strider590

AnotherJoe wrote: »

The same applies to battery cars. You will have to stop for longer but if you are driving 200-300 miles and then only stopping for 5 minutes to fill up before carrying on, you would benefit from a break as its dangerous, many companies now wont allow their employees to do more than around 200 miles in a day anyway.

I don't see what distance has to do with it, 200 miles could be 3 hours at the national speed limit, or 6 hours if stuck behind some incompetent moron doing 40mph.

Tiexen

In 20 years most cars will be driveless so you will not own a car at all, think Uber for driveless, you want to go out tap the "app" few minutes car arrives and off you go, when you come back it drives off.

No problem with onstreet parking, no car to be stolen overnight no need for a years insurance.

Because you don't keep the car at home no need for charging post

Cars will have solar panels on the roof, many parking spaces or even roads will have wireless charging, and batteries will have a lot longer range by then.

If you need a really long distance drive - just swap the car for a new fully charged one, or they may have swappable battery packs - a use for old petrol stations perhaps.