Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

From the G20 and Trump's meeting with May today:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-g20-germany-trump-may-idUKKBN19T083

I have hinted before that Tump is in favour of showing the EU that they are not as all-powerful as they would like to think they are as seen with Nato, steel imports etc. etc.

If the EU persist in attempting to prove some imagined superiority as with the as-yet unfinalized EU/Japan trade deal; a combined EU army; and the overtly threatening tones towards the UK regarding Brexit being just a few examples, there is a very good chance that USA opposition by forming alliances with other like-minded and influential nations will result.

A mutually-beneficial quick agreement between two major powers would certainly make the EU's lengthy bureaucratic processes appear less attractive to future prospects.

If a quick deal only takes a month then that is April 2019. Unless there is a transition period then the UK -USA Trade deal will be a little later.
By the way what will we sell to the USA we are not selling at present or we just sell more of what we sell already.
What do we sell at the moment?
I am sure you have the numbers and the products available and someone will tell us.
Thank you.

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A mutually-beneficial quick agreement between two major powers would certainly make the EU's lengthy bureaucratic processes appear less attractive to future prospects.

Hopefully this will put pressure on the EU to give the UK a quick and good FTA. More pressure, in fact, than a land slide victory in the GE would have done tbh.

Good News.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

If a quick deal only takes a month then that is April 2019. Unless there is a transition period then the UK -USA Trade deal will be a little later.
By the way what will we sell to the USA we are not selling at present or we just sell more of what we sell already.
What do we sell at the moment?
I am sure you have the numbers and the products available and someone will tell us.
Thank you.

Given that the EU has no interest in our trade. I'm sure the US will only be to happy to export. If that opens doors the other way then the agreement will be mutually beneficial.

Tromking

German journalists complaining that Hamburg is not so much G-20 as G-Trump. Trump rather than being isolated as predicted, is setting the agenda and Merkel is struggling to engineer any end of summit agreements.
Unlike the EU, Germany can't dominate a grouping of mostly sovereign nations. Geo-politically, this shows what a disaster Brexit was for Merkel and Hollande/Macron. Trump announcing the possibility of QuickTime US/UK trade deal was the US asserting itself over Berlin more than anything else.

Sapphire

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given that the EU has no interest in our trade. I'm sure the US will only be to happy to export. If that opens doors the other way then the agreement will be mutually beneficial.

Indeed. Having worked with Americans, in an American company, for more than ten years, for myself I welcome the opportunity for America and the UK to cooperate more closely. Judging from the many Americans I've worked with and socialised with, I feel much more affinity with them than with people from continental European countries. The same goes for Australians and New Zealanders, who I've also had quite a lot to do with. I feel we are roughly on the same 'emotional wavelength', probably through shared origins/histories.

This is despite the UK having some connection with continental European countries over the centuries, what with wars, royal marriages, frequent sheltering of people from continental European countries from persecution in their own (e.g. Huguenots). I like many continental Europeans and admire the cultures of their individual countries, but do not share their cultural values very much, or have much affinity with them (I've worked with quite a few of them, too).

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sapphire wrote: »

Indeed. Having worked with Americans, in an American company, for more than ten years, for myself I welcome the opportunity for America and the UK to cooperate more closely. Judging from the many Americans I've worked with and socialised with, I feel much more affinity with them than with people from continental European countries.

Yes...

This is a common perception held by the naive..

I've actually lived and worked in America, and I can assure you most Americans don't have the foggiest idea where the UK is on a map, let alone give a flying fig for the future of our nation.

The same goes for Australians and New Zealanders, who I've also had quite a lot to do with. I feel we are roughly on the same 'emotional wavelength', probably through shared origins/histories.

Which sounds lovely and all, but Australia and New Zealand are essentially irrelevant on the World stage, having a combined population about the size of Ghana or Madagascar and holding about as much importance.

This is despite the UK having some connection with continental European countries over the centuries, what with wars, royal marriages, frequent sheltering of people from continental European countries from persecution in their own (e.g. Huguenots). I like many continental Europeans and admire the cultures of their individual countries, but do not share their cultural values very much, or have much affinity with them (I've worked with quite a few of them, too).

Drivel.

Britain is European - we are all of the same cultural integrity and hold the same values - we are far closer and more like our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners than we are to a handful of former colonial outposts on the other side of the world... who share virtually none of our culture and even less of our history.

Not to mention it is quite frankly economically illiterate to even dream of trade with these distant nations making up for more than a fraction of what we'll lose by leaving the EU and it's enormously important single market, which is of course right on our doorstep and dwarfs the opportunity of any other market by comparison.

Ballard

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/826417/brexit-Germany-industry-negotiations-trade-deal-no-help-theresa-may-angela-merkel/amp

The Express is far from my newspaper of choice but I've chosen a link from a pro-Brexit site to avoid suggestions of bias.

Hopefully this is posturing because if not it's making the 'BMW will lobby the German government' claims look rather optimistic.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yes...

This is a common perception held by the naive..

I've actually lived and worked in America, and I can assure you most Americans don't have the foggiest idea where the UK is on a map, let alone give a flying fig for the future of our nation.




Which sounds lovely and all, but Australia and New Zealand are essentially irrelevant on the World stage, having a combined population about the size of Ghana or Madagascar and holding about as much importance.



Drivel.

Britain is European - we are all of the same cultural integrity and hold the same values - we are far closer and more like our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners than we are to a handful of former colonial outposts on the other side of the world... who share virtually none of our culture and even less of our history.

Not to mention it is quite frankly economically illiterate to even dream of trade with these distant nations making up for more than a fraction of what we'll lose by leaving the EU and it's enormously important single market, which is of course right on our doorstep and dwarfs the opportunity of any other market by comparison.

This diatribe about the similarity of culture is 2nd only to your tripe about Brexit causing a recession 8 times worse than the global financial crash.

It's like you've not been to Europe, Aus, NZ, Canada, etc.. to be able to make the comparison. And you've not even mentioned common law.

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yes...

This is a common perception held by the naive..

I've actually lived and worked in America, and I can assure you most Americans don't have the foggiest idea where the UK is on a map, let alone give a flying fig for the future of our nation.




Which sounds lovely and all, but Australia and New Zealand are essentially irrelevant on the World stage, having a combined population about the size of Ghana or Madagascar and holding about as much importance.



Drivel.

Britain is European - we are all of the same cultural integrity and hold the same values - we are far closer and more like our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners than we are to a handful of former colonial outposts on the other side of the world... who share virtually none of our culture and even less of our history.

Not to mention it is quite frankly economically illiterate to even dream of trade with these distant nations making up for more than a fraction of what we'll lose by leaving the EU and it's enormously important single market, which is of course right on our doorstep and dwarfs the opportunity of any other market by comparison.

We rarely agree on things, HAMISH, but I generally respect your opinions. That said, you used the word 'drivel' in your post which most accurately sums up the content of your diatribe. Given the time of your posting, I suspect that you may have imbibed a bit too much of Scotland's finest.

cogito

Not to mention the fact that our shared history prior to 1945 mostly consisted of us trying to sort out the many wars that our they fought between themselves. More like our nearest neighbours my a**e.