Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Herzlos

Indeed any vote will hamper hurt everyone (UK disproportionately though).

Will they vote for something that hurts them a tiny bit but keeps everything fair, or will they vote to give the UK a super extra special deal above what we've already got, that they aren't entitled to?

Each nation will vote for what is best for it. That doesn't necesarily mean they'll cave to the UK's requests, especially with the UK teams track record of U-Turning. We're already being regarded as unreliable and heading towards a cliff, how much is it worth it keep relying on that train wreck?

Again; poor deal will hurt everyone, and will be entirely of our doing. Will the threat of a poor deal be enough for the EU to give us our somewhat incompatible way? I can't see it, unless we're making some serious concessions like paying even more into the EU membership club.

I think the Leave blindspot hinges on a gross overestimation of how valuable UK trade is to the EU.

I think the bottom line here is that we need a good deal and we need to ensure we get it, rather than relying on the EU giving it to us, since they've got essentially no incentive to care about what happens to us.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Neither quote rules out UK tech companies having off-shore sites doing most of the work. But I'll take it to mean that it's talking about money generated in the UK.

Are you really so desperate to disparage?
Why?
Is "London is a great place to be located" really not good enough? Then investigate further yourself and prove the above incorrect.

Just as earlier you said: "I've seen nothing official from westminster about trying to boost innovation." (Post # 785)
If you had read the link you would have seen "Last year, prime minister Theresa May announced an extra £4.7 billion for research over four years"; if that is not "official from Westminster" then what would you find acceptable?

Your earlier post says you read these posts; perhaps you do, but selectively it would appear.
Unlike you suggest, I do not have a "rosy view" - but I refuse to become one of the sheeple that regard every media report as factual;
nor do I seek to merely agitate without consideration for fact.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Are you really so desperate to disparage?
Why?
Is "London is a great place to be located" really not good enough? Then investigate further yourself and prove the above incorrect.

Not really. I agree London is a great place to be located as you share a working day with most of the rest of the world, which isn't possible at either side of the map.

Just as earlier you said: "I've seen nothing official from westminster about trying to boost innovation." (Post # 785)
If you had read the link you would have seen "Last year, prime minister Theresa May announced an extra £4.7 billion for research over four years"; if that is not "official from Westminster" then what would you find acceptable?

I'd completely missed that, sorry. It does seem to provide a boost, but many are skeptical as to how it'll be delivered and if it's going to be enough to offset Brexit. Still, credit where credits due, on the face of it it's a good start.

I'd still like some commitment on her behalf to trying to maintain the UK's research position after Brexit - by not doing anything to damage it. But that'd probably screw up the migration caps and so on.

Do you think we're doing all we can to drive us forward into the 4th Industrial revolution and securing our place on the world stage?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Again:

Cross-party group of MPs accuse BBC of 'Brexit bias'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/05/cross-party-group-mps-accuse-bbc-brexit-bias/

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you think we're doing all we can to drive us forward into the 4th Industrial revolution and securing our place on the world stage?

No and I think it is impossible to do so until there is greater agreement of what the UK both wants and needs.
The polarity between stances as seen in this thread and elsewhere will deny the opportunity to "do all we can" for as long as viewpoints remain so vehemently opposed.

Herzlos

Every news source is biased. BBC does seem fairly bad for it, as do the frothers.

Where's the discussion on what the UK wants and needs? Shouldn't we be doing that before Brexiting?

We've got this amazing opportunity in Brexit to shape our future, but we seem to be set on squandering it and just grinding along.

We could make a huge drive to renewable power (and thus drop our reliance on EU electric and oil). We could overhaul public transport, champion electric cars, revolutionise the way people work. And we're doing... nothing by the looks of it.

mayonnaise

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Again:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/05/cross-party-group-mps-accuse-bbc-brexit-bias/

A bit biased from the Telegraph to call this a cross-party group.
It's just a bunch of Brexiteers.
"Let's add Kate Hoey so we can call it cross-party" :rotfl:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

A bit biased from the Telegraph to call this a cross-party group.
It's just a bunch of Brexiteers.
"Let's add Kate Hoey so we can call it cross-party" :rotfl:

Oh, so you have a complete list of these MP's forming this cross-party group?
Do share.



Moving on, I see there is to be a £2.3 billion investment in infrastructure for new housing:

A £2.3 billion fund which could unlock 100,000 new homes in areas of high demand has been launched today (4 July 2017) by the Communities Secretary, Sajid Javid.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/23-billion-investment-in-infrastructure-for-new-housing

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

they've got essentially no incentive to care about what happens to us.

So you conclude the Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Germans, Swedes etc will vote for self harming their valuable UK trade?


In the end I just don't see it, money talks and constituents wont take kindly to them being told their trade and jobs will be placed in harms way for the sake of some far off Brussels endeavour.


If all remainers got behind Brexit we could present a united front.

Physics

Conrad wrote: »

So you conclude the Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Germans, Swedes etc will vote for self harming their valuable UK trade?

No country would vote to materially harm their own economic prospects.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

So you conclude the Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Germans, Swedes etc will vote for self harming their valuable UK trade?


In the end I just don't see it, money talks and constituents wont take kindly to them being told their trade and jobs will be placed in harms way for the sake of some far off Brussels endeavour.


If all remainers got behind Brexit we could present a united front.

Agreed.
Some refuse to acknowledge the varied reports of requests from across Europe pleading for regard to be given in respect to their trade with the UK in relation to Brexit.
These reports largely come from elsewhere in Europe BTW, not the UK.

These do not fall under that category but suggest Denmark is already suffering and will suffer more if a deal is not reached:

Brexit fallout beginning to hit Danish fashion exports to the UK

http://cphpost.dk/news/business/brexit-fallout-beginning-to-hit-danish-fashion-exports-to-the-uk.html

The study by University of Copenhagen researchers for the Ministry of Environment and Food, found the "best case scenario" with a free trade agreement between the block and UK, would see Danish food exports to Britain fall by as much as 48 percent.
In a situation where Britain fails to strike a deal on a new relationship with the EU and comes under World Trade Organisation rules, the decline in exports could be as much as 79 percent.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-denmark-trade-idUKKBN19E1ED