Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

If all remainers got behind Brexit we could present a united front.

For 40 odd years your lot did everything they could to overturn the democratic wish of the British people to join the EEC/EU expressed in the 1975 referendum.
Your lot bombarded the populace with incessant anti-EU rhetoric in the popular press.
Your lot even started a political party aimed solely at getting us out.

And now, once your lot wins a referendum, we have to roll over and comply? You're a funny one! :rotfl:

By the way, I accept the result of the referendum.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

For 40 odd years your lot did everything they could to overturn the democratic wish of the British people to join the EEC/EU expressed in the 1975 referendum.
Your lot bombarded the populace with incessant anti-EU rhetoric in the popular press.
Your lot even started a political party aimed solely at getting us out.

And now, once your lot wins a referendum, we have to roll over and comply? You're a funny one! :rotfl:

By the way, I accept the result of the referendum.

The time for the British people to vote on entering the Common Market was before the lying traitor Heath dragged us in. We then had another liar, Wilson, who claimed he had got a great deal from them and we should vote to remain. Ring a bell, anyone? The British public at the time were stupid enough to trust their politicians despite the fact that 'pound in your pocket' Wilson already had form.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

The time for the British people to vote on entering the Common Market was before the lying traitor Heath dragged us in. We then had another liar, Wilson, who claimed he had got a great deal from them and we should vote to remain. Ring a bell, anyone? The British public at the time were stupid enough to trust their politicians despite the fact that 'pound in your pocket' Wilson already had form.

Mrs T wasn't honest either as to what she signed the UK up for.

posh*spice

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Mrs T wasn't honest either as to what she signed the UK up for.

It was Major that signed Maastricht. Thatcher famously saidin HoL "I could have never signed that treaty"

So not sure what you mean?

Thrugelmir

posh*spice wrote: »

It was Major that signed Maastricht. Thatcher famously saidin HoL "I could have never signed that treaty"

So not sure what you mean?

Was a TV programme covering this topic a while back.

Margaret Thatcher: the critical architect of European integration

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatcher-the-critical-architect-of-european-integration/

setmefree2

Britain is back in business as firms start 'reshoring' manufacturing to the UK

As Clarks is set to open a new plant in Somerset we look at some of the other firms ensuring UK manufacturers are having their busiest spell for 29 years

Cars

Supercar maker McLaren announced plans in February for a £50million hi-tech factory in Sheffield.
The company, also famed for its F1 racing team, will use the plant to develop and build carbon fibre “tubs, around which its cars are built.
At the moment, its carbon chassis parts are made in Austria.
It’s not the only UK-made cars that are becoming more British.
According to the Automotive Council, 44% of all parts used in cars manufactured here are now from British suppliers. That is up from 41% in 2015.

Cadbury is bringing back production of Dairy Milk bars to the UK after making some in Poland.
US owner Mondelez was previously accused of breaking a promise to keep making the bars in its Bournville factory in Birmingham. But it has announced plans to pump £75million into the plant.
Production of Cadbury Dairy Milk Oreo and Cadbury Dairy Milk Tiffin will also be moved from Germany to Bournville.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/britain-back-business-firms-start-10738604

Thrugelmir

Bet the loss of sales for Cadbury products was totally underestimated. Seems as if Brexit events are gaining their own momentum. With no turning back. Big business is simply forging ahead and not waiting to see what the political outcome is. At least Cadburys is a positive movement in terms of the balance of trade with Europe and a boost to UK manufacturing.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

So you conclude the Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Germans, Swedes etc will vote for self harming their valuable UK trade?

No I expect them to vote for what they feel is best for their interests and the EU as a whole, and not be beholden to the threats from their 2nd largest export market.

Bear in mind that we're talking about making ~9% of their sales harder, so realistically talking about a reduction in sales of under half that. Britain has also been an arrogant and stubborn partner whose been resisting the EU project for decades and always asking for a special deal, so I don't think we've got good will on our side.

So we've got some sway, and the fact we buy a lot of stuff will have an impact on the decision making process but I just don't think that's enough. Our economy is currently the slowest growing in the EU, our currency has dropped by about 20%, we've got less buying power. If you were a Belgian/Dutch/Spanish/Swede/German manufacturer would you be looking to shore up your trade to the sick and argumentative man of Europe or would you be looking at the emerging markets within the EU and out East?

Will the Dutch flower sellers resent the UK or the EU more when Brexit costs them money?

In the end I just don't see it, money talks and constituents wont take kindly to them being told their trade and jobs will be placed in harms way for the sake of some far off Brussels endeavour.

Money does talk, but we're not talking about a lot of money, here.

If all remainers got behind Brexit we could present a united front.

If the Brexiteers can give us something to get behind, then we'd be happy to. You're not going to get a united front when the negotiating party can't even decide which way is forwards.

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

No I expect them to vote for what they feel is best for their interests and the EU as a whole, and not be beholden to the threats from their 2nd largest export market.

Bear in mind that we're talking about making ~9% of their sales harder, so realistically talking about a reduction in sales of under half that. Britain has also been an arrogant and stubborn partner whose been resisting the EU project for decades and always asking for a special deal, so I don't think we've got good will on our side.

So we've got some sway, and the fact we buy a lot of stuff will have an impact on the decision making process but I just don't think that's enough. Our economy is currently the slowest growing in the EU, our currency has dropped by about 20%, we've got less buying power. If you were a Belgian/Dutch/Spanish/Swede/German manufacturer would you be looking to shore up your trade to the sick and argumentative man of Europe or would you be looking at the emerging markets within the EU and out East?

Will the Dutch flower sellers resent the UK or the EU more when Brexit costs them money?




Money does talk, but we're not talking about a lot of money, here.



If the Brexiteers can give us something to get behind, then we'd be happy to. You're not going to get a united front when the negotiating party can't even decide which way is forwards.

Did you read any of the post I made referencing EU budget contributions and export destination league tables for the net contributors?

I fail to see how you're unable to see the harm no deal does to the EU if you had read it. The entire EU project is currently stacked like dominoes. Unless of course the Germans and possibly French want to prop up the entire bloc?

gfplux

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

When we're told by the supposedly educated and learned amongst us in this country that we made the wrong choice, and that the EU is united, and we will get a terrible deal because we are in a weak position, it's good to present the antagonists with the data to the contrary.

I am not sure about the educated and learned. Let's just say a large number of people.
Firstly the large number of people said after the referendum that leaving was the wrong choice.
Not many people if any said the EU was united.
After the most recent General Election with the ruling party having been considerably weakened many agreed that this put Britain in a weaker negotiating position than before the GE.
I suspect that there are just not enough good news story's about the UK and therefore posters desire to post is only met by finding anti EU story's.
The vote was last year. Britain is negotiating to leave. Brexiters do not need to support there fears about Brexit by posting EU story's. Just post Britains good news, that should be enough.