Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

And no one from the executive branch came out and condemned those who did not attend.

Because they didn't turn up either? :j

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

*sigh*
On the contrary, do you think that the EU gains no value from UK research collaboration.

I never said it didn't.

Re: your second paragraph, a simple web search would answer your facetiously-intended semi-question and demonstrate your obvious lack of knowledge in this area.
Here is just one example; there are more.

http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/new-research-and-innovation-body-aims-to-make-uk-%27go-to-place-for-scientists%27

That's certainly interesting. I've seen nothing official from westminster about trying to boost innovation. Plenty about reducing student numbers and leaving EU wide scientific bodies (like Euratom).

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

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Where's all the talk about UK growth, or trading deals, or innovation, or infrastructure, or, well, anything? We should be talking up the UK rather than talking down the EU. ................

You mean, where is the opposite of what British media is doing and the opposite of what many in this thread do?

You're obviously ignoring posts by forum contributors like myself; setmefree2; Conrad; Rinoa; Thrugelmir; cogito ............... and many others all of whom "talk up" the UK and point out benefits in the face of such unwarranted yet concerted pro-European rhetoric.

The sheer amount of pro-EU sentiment bombarding the UK public from British media will I feel certain in years to come be seen as the greatest propagandist exercise in British history, more so since much of this propaganda goes against current evidence.

If you want just one example look at yesterday's Markit PMI's as gleefully shown by Mayo:
Germany's manufacturing PMI stated as 59.6 and supposedly a 74-month high - yet in this month unemployment rose and more significant job losses were announced.
The German industrial manufacturing slump earlier in the year was also ignored, as is their current higher-than-expected inflation too.

Trying to make a balanced, objective stance when bombarded with so much which is if not just plain wrong then is at best intentionally misleading can admittedly be difficult, so it does not surprise me that many take so much of what they read at face value.
Just because some try to influence opinion in this manner does not make it either correct or acceptable.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

I never said it didn't.



That's certainly interesting. I've seen nothing official from westminster about trying to boost innovation. Plenty about reducing student numbers and leaving EU wide scientific bodies (like Euratom).

Perhaps because you just don't want to delve deeper?

"We work with people, companies and partner organisations to find and drive the science and technology innovations that will grow the UK economy."
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/innovate-uk/about

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Because they didn't turn up either? :j

Is it? Is it really? lol...

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You mean, where is the opposite of what British media is doing and the opposite of what many in this thread do?

You're obviously ignoring posts by forum contributors like myself; setmefree2; Conrad; Rinoa; Thrugelmir; cogito ............... and many others all of whom "talk up" the UK and point out benefits in the face of such unwarranted yet concerted pro-European rhetoric.

No I read it, a lot of it seems optimistic at best, like Congrats assertion that because we buy a lot of Dutch/German stuff the EU must give us a good deal or face an internal revolt.

I see the same articles you post, and often have a less rosy view of them. Maybe it's pessimism, maybe it's realism.

I still haven't seen anything good come from Brexit, except the temporary boost in exports whilst the GBP is so cheap.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Perhaps because you just don't want to delve deeper?

"We work with people, companies and partner organisations to find and drive the science and technology innovations that will grow the UK economy."
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/innovate-uk/about

But nothing about keeping international talent, international relations, university funding. Y'know, the stuff I'm asking about that's being threatened by Brexit (UK research facilities losing staff and tenders for EU projects). Presumably they don't have the remit to deal with that sort of stuff.

There's plenty of smallish bodies trying to set up ideas people with resources, I've had some involvement with them. But there's still nothing on the big picture and how we avoid becoming scientifically isolated.

mayonnaise

Moving on...

Services sector slowdown completes 'triple-whammy' of negative results

The powerhouse (services) industry, which accounts for around 78% of the UK economy, struggled for momentum as the inflows of new business sunk to a nine-month low.

It comes after manufacturing output drifted to its lowest level for three months in June, while the construction industry took a tumble due to a dearth of new work.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/news/services-sector-slowdown-completes-triplewhammy-of-negative-results-35897684.html

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Moving on...

Services sector slowdown completes 'triple-whammy' of negative results




http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/news/services-sector-slowdown-completes-triplewhammy-of-negative-results-35897684.html

Ooh, a huge difference in forecast and actual there! :rotfl:
From the quoted link:

The closely watched Markit/CIPS services purchasing managers' index (PMI) fell to 53.4 in June, down from 53.8 in May and below economists' expectations of 53.5 .
A reading above 50 indicates growth.

That pretty much supports what I say in post # 786 above.

Herzlos

Yeah it's not a big decline, but it's still going the wrong way, no?

In itself it's not a big deal though. Maybe it'll steady out once everything else picks up.