Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

CKhalvashi

kabayiri wrote: »

They will find a way here though (well a certain percentage).

3.2 billion is a staggering figure, but if we assume even 100 million of those are mobile, then that's a significant number of potential migrants.

Europe is already seeing these people arriving by sea or land on the Eastern and Southern border.

...Even as I write this, I don't know the answer long term. Some of these challenges seem insurmountable.

I would take the £80bn spend on HS2 and invest in to one or two African countries to create a self sustaining economy, but the chances of it working must be low. Corruption is rife.

So, you have some form of vested interest in turning the UK into a low wage sweatshop, we knew that already.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

No-one, anywhere suggested Rolls-Royce might leave the country.
Untrue as shown:"Rolls Royce threatens to move research abroad." Or do you take that to mean it was a threat to keep research in the UK? If you really want to be more exact (read: pedantic) try "No-one anywhere suggested that Rolls-Royce might entirely leave the country." That would be correct. Next:

Will they be affected by Brexit? Of course; will it be positive or negative for them? Time will tell.
Obviously, just as with everybody else. Next:

You've proven the sky continues to rise in the East. That from one that calls me rude!

Responses highlighted in red above.
It is by now patently obvious that you have a difficulty in being shown when you are wrong - as happens quite frequently, I see.
Therefore further "flaming spiral" attempts which appear to be your usual recourse will go unheeded by me.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Hmmm yes....that jet engine didn't really look like something that could be fitted in a car.

Purely in an attempt to prevent a return of vitriol, a light-hearted display of jet-engined cars.
The second on the list is, of all things, a Rover!
:rotfl:

https://gearheads.org/13-amazing-cars-powered-by-jet-engines/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moving on, here is more from the EU's commissioner for the budget Gunther Oettinger:

Günther Oettinger, the European commissioner for the budget, said the loss to the bloc had to be acknowledged, and big decisions made about the scale of the its ambitions after March 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/brexit-blow-20bn-hole-eu-budget-european-commissioner

From Holland:
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1/home/800001498/Brexit/actua/index.dhtml&prev=search

A_Medium_Size_Jock

It would appear that the EU doesn't like the WTO's ruling that Boeing was not unfairly supported by the USA:

The European Union (EU) filed an appeal on Thursday against a WTO panel ruling this month that largely cleared the United States of maintaining unfair support for Boeing, the World Trade Organisation (WTO) said.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/06/29/business/29reuters-wto-eu-boeing.html?mcubz=0


It also looks like CETA (the EU trade deal with Canada) is being delayed yet again:

anada's goal to see its trade agreement with the European Union take flight this summer now appears grounded by a second series of concerns, this time from the pharmaceutical industry. The concerns, which at first seemed to impose only minor delays, now appear significant enough to require engagement at the highest levels on both sides of the Atlantic.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ceta-provisional-application-pharmaceutical-litigation-1.4179676

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

So, you have some form of vested interest in turning the UK into a low wage sweatshop, we knew that already.

Unskilled labour is now a global market. How do you propose changing that? Where are the products that you sell manufactured?

Fella

Both revealing and amusing :

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-vote-split-position-chuka-umunna-amendment-live-commons-vote-parliament-a7815271.html

A number of Labour MPs have backed a rebel backbench motion that would keep Britain in the EU were Theresa May fail to negotiate a deal.

The amendment to the Queen’s Speech, proposed by MP Chuka Umunna, is at odds with Labour’s front bench, which says leaving the EU is settled as an issue.

49 Labour MPs voted for the backbench motion, which also says the UK should stay in the single market and Customs Union.

Revealing that it turns out at least 49 Labour MPs were lying through their teeth when they pretended they supported Brexit in order to get elected. Amusing that the amendment got a good kicking regardless.

The result of the vote emphasises the split in the opposition party about how to deal with Britain leaving the EU.

Indeed it does. Labour in total shambles over Brexit. Corbyn utterly unable to control his own MPs. Whodda thunk it.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unskilled labour is now a global market. How do you propose changing that? Where are the products that you sell manufactured?

I don't sell products, I sell services.

The vans that provide part of those services are built in Germany and converted in Wales. The main supplier of services is an Irish subsidiary of an American company and the company that makes all the technical magic happen is British.

All of those, to the best of my knowledge are in the EU, as are most of my customers.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unskilled labour is now a global market. How do you propose changing that? Where are the products that you sell manufactured?

It does seen inconsistent.

Eg, it may come down to using cheap labour to assemble a future electric car here or China.

We sing the praises of cheap hard working EE workers, but don't welcome even cheaper labour from elsewhere in the world.

Maybe CK is right. I don't know if there is the appetite for UK to go down the Hong Kong route. I can only see a slow withering demise, much like the EU.

kabayiri

CKhalvashi wrote: »

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All of those, to the best of my knowledge are in the EU, as are most of my customers.

So you recognise your EU bias?

I get that. It's why Brexit has raised such different opinions.

Did you notice that China was in the bidding to run HS2? There is clearly interest in the UK from outside Europe. It's easy to get burned dealing with Chinese companies though.