Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Please explain your personal experience of getting a work visa in Japan. Thank you.

To what end?
What purpose would it serve?

I had no difficulty at all in obtaining a permit to work since my profession is one sought-after (or at least it was when I worked there, I'm not about to look now just to appease you) plus my spoken Japanese was then very good and I was sponsored by connections there and had a job waiting for me.

Whilst I appreciate that your motives may be honourable I am not about to go into detail on a public forum, neither am I prepared to go further purely to satisfy someone's curiosity.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Why should anyone care that I've paid no interest in EFTA or why I posted today and not 3 years ago. I'm an anonymous poster on a password protected internet backwater. It's irrelevant, tedious and off-topic.

I did you the service of responding to your post by staying on-topic and suggesting EFTA might be trying to sweet talk a potential new member.

Your refusal to appropriately respond speaks volumes.
So you might do me the service of ignoring my posts in future as I will henceforth attempt to ignore yours?

Your refusal to acquiesce beyond this point may otherwise be interpreted as deliberate provocation and I'm sure neither of us is desirous of that outcome.

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

There's nothing personal whatsoever in stating you've not countered my assertion that Brexit is/ will be inflationary for food prices. It's a simple statement of fact.



Completely agree. All we can do is discuss/ debate what might happen. I've said what I think is a likely occurrence and why. Although neither of us can provide evidence of something that hasn't happened we still haven't found a likely scenario where post Brexit food prices will be cheaper other than by the usual happenstance of world oil price etc which aren't much influenced by Brexit.



With respect I don't see how you can have proven post Brexit immigration controls can have had no effect on food prices when they've not even been implemented.

I'm sorry you didn't like the abstact. The link I provided did include the full text which you probably haven't read. It's interesting if you can see the parallel between the UK as a country where farm work is shunned and (potentially) about to consider restriction of low skilled migration with Japan; a country where farm work is shunned and already has restrictive measures on low skilled migration.



There's no crusade - it simply isn't personal. I'm interested in the effect Brexit will have on the food and drink industry which is probably the UK sector most reliant on migrant labour. I'm glad of your input

Hello Ilove,
I am in much agreement with your views, perhaps you have a special insight into the British food supply industry.
I would be interested to hear your views on the possibility of the wholesale movement of the production to other low cost (or with the easy access to cheap labour) Country's.

Until 20 years ago I had close involvement with producing consumer goods in the Far East (before that with the same products being made in Europe) for sale in Europe. From the 50's to 80's production was moved from country to country in the Far East seeking lower and lower production costs. At the same time the technology was also transferred.
In the 90's (I retired in 1996) with the availability of huge transport planes whole factory's were moved with the infrastructure the technology being held by the factory owner and not transferred to the new country of production.
Will this happen with British agriculture?
Forgive the over simplification.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Hello Ilove,
I am in much agreement with your views, perhaps you have a special insight into the British food supply industry.
I would be interested to hear your views on the possibility of the wholesale movement of the production to other low cost (or with the easy access to cheap labour) Country's.

Try reading these past five pages or so first maybe?
There is much written and it would prevent repetition, of which it may be said that there is already too much on this thread.

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

The age profiles are quite marked and there's a good correlation between age and voting preference. Someone already in receipt of a state pension was almost twice as likely to vote leave than a 25 year old.

The over '65's can do nothing about the 25 year old's pension. Young people are going to have to find a solution to keep paying the pensions of the already retired as well as worry about their own.

Part of the solution is having enough young people working and paying into the "system"
Presently those numbers are being augmented with young fit workers from the EU.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

To what end?
What purpose would it serve?

I had no difficulty at all in obtaining a permit to work since my profession is one sought-after (or at least it was when I worked there, I'm not about to look now just to appease you) plus my spoken Japanese was then very good and I was sponsored by connections there and had a job waiting for me.

Whilst I appreciate that your motives may be honourable I am not about to go into detail on a public forum, neither am I prepared to go further purely to satisfy someone's curiosity.

Thank you for that detailed explanation of how your personal experience is not relevant to your post about foreign workers in Japan.
If a drinking game involved how often you throw out non relevant phrases, well.....

No forget it as it is NOT on topic.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'll respond to any of your future posts as I see fit. I'd be sorry if you felt the need to ignore mine because you don't like my opinion but that's your choice.

I've been polite, interested in your on-topic comments and happy to debate the issues. I'm sorry if you've found that provocative in any way. I thought that's what this board was for.

I have asked you politely.
Your personal opinions in posts are irrelevant in respect to my request, however continued use of such terminology as "let's stay on topic" towards me is both impolite and provocative.
Again then, just to be clear: "Your refusal to acquiesce beyond this point may otherwise be interpreted as deliberate provocation and I'm sure neither of us is desirous of that outcome."

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Thank you for that detailed explanation of how your personal experience is not relevant to your post about foreign workers in Japan.
If a drinking game involved how often you throw out non relevant phrases, well.....

No forget it as it is NOT on topic.

It has very little relevance to Brexit and this thread in particular so it is indeed not on topic.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

David Davis on today's Marr Show says he is "pretty sure" of a free trade deal - and reaffirms that the UK is prepared to walk away:

Mr Davis is heading up the UK side of negotiations, and began talks last week with his EU counterpart Michel Barnier. Of Mr Barnier, he said: "He wants a deal as much as we want a deal, I think."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40397312

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Will this happen with British agriculture?

How do you move a farm?