Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

My understanding was that British farmers were somewhat more efficient than their European counterparts and already struggling to compete on price.

Farming isn't uniform across the UK. Efficiently is only aspect. The land being farmed makes a huge difference as well. We cannot grow anything we need either.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Thank you - that sounds like a good idea. Let's try and stay on-topic.

Are you deliberately attempting to bait posters now?
Where is any relevance to the thread?
As such I politely suggest that you carefully consider just what your post appears to be.



Now moving on (and I suggest you do the same BTW) I note a report of an interview with EFTA head judge Carl Baudenbacher:

There’s a lot of noise but at the end of the day the EU has zero interest in snubbing the Brits, zero, for historic reasons, for military reasons, for all sorts of reasons and I keep saying in all my speeches if the EU does not give the Brits a certain influence on legislation it will shoot itself in the foot because there are just fields where they know it better, competition policy is such an issue.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/819162/Brexit-news-Efta-court-head-judge-Carl-Baudenbacher-Britain-EU

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

I probably agree with that. However, the CAP will remain in place across Europe so Brexit is unlikely to lower imported produce prices.

My understanding was that British farmers were somewhat more efficient than their European counterparts and already struggling to compete on price.

Wrong regarding the highlighted in red.
Again.
Not only have I explained this in some detail but another poster advised you of the same regarding your belief that prices will increase;

cogito wrote: »

No it isn't. It's nothing more than your opinion.

The protectionist EU imposes import tariffs averaging 18% on imported food products rising to as much as 46 % on some African food, punishing the poorest farmers in the world. Post-Brexit, the UK will be at liberty to reduce food prices by reducing or abolishing these tariffs.

http://www.reformthecap.eu/issues/policy-instruments/tariffs

Your response to which can be seen a few posts above this:

ilovehouses wrote: »

Apologies. I was less than clear. My opinion is that Brexit is/ will be inflationary for food. The statement of fact was that jock hadn't countered this.

It'll be interesting to see if the UK becomes a beacon for free trade. I suspect the farming lobby won't allow this to happen - they'll welcome a bit of food inflation. Of course if we're a third country and our produce exports to the EU are subject to such tariffs that will also be damaging to the UK food and drink industry.

So which version of your apparently varying opinion is a reader of this thread to believe?

gfplux

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

Given that it wasn't that long ago that retailers were so obsessed with getting the cheapest possible product that they didn't even know/care if their beef was actually beef, forgive me for thinking that they aren't going to be passing on 'picked by British worker' premium to our farmers.

It wasn't long ago as yesterday and today that Consumers are so obsessed with getting the cheapest possible product, they didn't care where it came from or if it was what it said it was on the packet.

Who can believe what a Supermarket says on the packet?

Just be careful who you blame.

kabayiri

Last year the UK population officially increased by more than half a million people.

If you include the untracked you could easily raise that number a decent notch.

This is not sustainable, and a non-Brexit solution is the very setup which has led to this situation.

The politicians will announce house building targets. They will talk about more schools; more roads; more resources in general.

They *will* fail.

The UK is not suited to such a massive growth plan which would add millions every decade. The work and hence wealth is too centred, and all the attempts in the last 3 decades to rebalance this have basically failed.

It's no wonder people voted for change.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

I could cut and paste the same thing in response but it would be very tedious for all concerned. Let's stay on-topic instead.
And yet you persist?
Perhaps you would like to say why you felt that comment necessary?
Also explain if you will the relevance to the thread since yet again that comment contains none; THAT is an example of what is making this a tedious thread.


Interesting. I've not come across EFTA (European Free Trade Association) before.

The Association manages, EFTA’s worldwide network of free trade and partnership agreements, and the European Economic Area (EEA) Agreement for it's 4 members - Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland.

I'm sure EFTA would dearly love the UK as a fifth member to increase clout with the EU.

Much has been written both in these forums and in media regarding EFTA.
How then have you managed to avoid any references to EFTA?

A member for five years with so few posts and suddenly so many?
Would you care to explain why?
Note my responses highlighted in red above.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The work is seasonal and in the main undertaken by Eastern Europeans. More than likely at MW rates. Even working in Tesco's or Aldi pays better.

Just what I said. Great we agree.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

That is simply not true.
Even for skilled workers, Japan has long welcomed migrant labour; I can assure you of this from personal experience.

Now certainly it is true that perhaps the Japanese do not import labour on the scale that the UK does, but Japan certainly does import labour for quite a variety of what they consider to be low-skilled work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/business/japan-immigrants-workers-trump.html?mcubz=0

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/03/national/japan-quietly-accepting-foreign-workers-just-dont-call-immigration/

http://uk.businessinsider.com/japan-wants-more-foreign-workers-2016-4?r=US&IR=T

Please explain your personal experience of getting a work visa in Japan. Thank you.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The Archbishop of Canterbury "slams MP's":

Writing in The Mail On Sunday, he said: "We need the politicians to find a way of neutralising the temptation to take minor advantage domestically from these great events.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-06-25/archbishop-slams-mps-as-he-calls-for-wartime-spirit-in-brexit-talks/

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

No, I will not allow you to distract and obfuscate.
It was said "Japan isn't really open to low skilled migrant labour" and I proved that wrong.

P.S. - I have lived in Japan domo arigato - have you?

No distraction, just the truth please.
Did you work, how long were you there, what type of visa did you have or were you working on the black?