Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

ukcarper

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Im not comparing brexit to slavery, simply demonstrating that to say the majority should NEVER be overruled is absolutely false. Your attitude towards our constitution is exactly why leave voters talk about sovereignty and the like should be taken with a pinch of salt, just another big word used by a lot of people who dont have a clue. The people who actually know a lot about sovereignty like MPs, are overwhelmingly pro EU.

People had chance to vote for pro EU parties in GE but they didn't in fact Labour and the conservatives got 80% of the vote.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

People had chance to vote for pro EU parties in GE but they didn't in fact Labour and the conservatives got 80% of the vote.

Suggests that the majority accepted the decision and simply got on with their lives. Nor did the SNP's stance in Scotland achieve the expected outcome.

bobbymotors

fewgroats wrote: »

Can we bring back slavery? No.

Can we produce a coherent Brexit with the negotiators as they are? No.

Therefore it seems like a reasonable comparison.

there will be a deal. If you don't like it, vote that way at the next GE: ie Liberal.

Or start your own Remain party. Bound to be a winner.

bobbymotors

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Suggests that the majority accepted the decision and simply got on with their lives. Nor did the SNP's stance in Scotland achieve the expected outcome.

Exactly. Precisely. Move on.

Thrugelmir

fewgroats wrote: »

Can we produce a coherent Brexit with the negotiators as they are? No.

What's so special about the EU's negotiators? Other than being a mouth piece for their political masters. Have little to no authority to compromise.

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Oh yeah what? I haven't thrown in the UK contribution card. What I have merely pointed out is that the EU currently has no agreement as to how to deal with the lack of the UK's £8 billion contribution. A totally different issue.

Sorry if doesn't fit your agenda by looking at matters from an EU perspective rather than a very narrow UK remain one.

The EU currently has no agreement that you know of.
The UK currently has no trade agreements we know of.

There is no agenda, I am just saying let them worry about money, perhaps it's not such a big leverage as folks in the UK believe to be. It's not a narrow UK remain perspective, the UK needs to let go of the EU and move on.

bobbymotors

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's so special about the EU's negotiators? Other than being a mouth piece for their political masters. Have little to no authority to compromise.

compromise will come. from both sides. it always does.

even I know that and I'm one of the 52% ignorant unwashed who know nothing yet STILL have the effrontery to vote as I please.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

The EU currently has no agreement that you know of.
The UK currently has no trade agreements we know of.

The budget is a matter for the EU Parliament to debate as a whole. Along with related matters such as taxation. There is no agreement. Plenty of comment on record from different members of the EU though expressing their own view. Suggesting currently there is little common ground.

The UK cannot enter into any trade agreements until it has left the EU. Until it does it is bound by whatever trading agreements are in place.

cogito

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Brexit and the referendum are an affront to democracy.

I don't have the time to deal with any of your post except the above sentence in reply to which I would say that you wouldn't be saying this if remain had won.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

The part that you have omitted is that the accounts have been signed off but qualified in that the auditors have said that there were material errors. In 2015 the material error was 3.8% out of a budget of €145bn i.e. more than €5bn.

Wrong.

The EU's accounts have been fully signed off since 2007 without qualification.

There have been some errors reported in EU programme spending by member states, including the UK, and this has been noted under those accounts as signed off but qualified.

So to say that the money is not missing or that it was an outright lie is being somewhat economical with the truth.

Nope.

The claim was that 4% of money was missing.

That is an outright lie.

When Tesco misstated their financial position,

The EU did not mis-state their financial position.

The annual audit picked up around 3.8% of spending, almost all by EU member states, that has been accounted for but where the rules of the various spending programmes may not have been followed or the paperwork submitted was incorrect.

Who holds the EU to account?

The member states.