Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The budget is a matter for the EU Parliament to debate as a whole. Along with related matters such as taxation. There is no agreement. Plenty of comment on record from different members of the EU though expressing their own view. Suggesting currently there is little common ground.

The UK cannot enter into any trade agreements until it has left the EU. Until it does it is bound by whatever trading agreements are in place.

The EU Parliament of which, in 584 days the UK will not be a member of. Britain has given up the rotating six-month presidency of the EU in 2017 because as an exiting member, it won't matter as much within the EU.

Anything that happens there, you will have no say in in and that's how it should be, I am not sure why you want to cling on.

So until the UK has left the EU, the UK will contribute as usual (no gap there).
After, let the EU worry about it as the UK can worry about the trade agreements.

Rusty_Shackleton

With regards to 3D printing posts above...

Yes, 3D printing a rather poor term, the correct terminology is actually 'additive manufacturing' and it offers an advantage in terms of material efficiency and as the technology develops, possibly the precision of CNC milling (if you don't know what milling is I highly recommend a visit to youtube, search 5 axis milling, it's really quite a satisying process to watch!). Milling is used where casting (moulds) aren't possible.

Kettles are a bad example for 3D printing, because moulds are efficient and cost effective in high volumes. However, a 3D printer would allow you to make a kettle in whatever design you fancy. Or you could make kettles as a business and do small batches of any number of different designs (not cost effective when the fixed cost of a mould can be substantial).

With regards to materials, 3D printers are using a miniaturised version of extrusion. You can extrude a number of different metals, including aluminium. There's no reason 3D printers, as they advance, couldn't print with a number of materials beyond the couple of plastics currently used. To follow your examples above, you absolutely can 3D print food, but you don't print a loaf of bread for the same reason you don't print kettles - but you would 3D print a custom design or message, in say, icing on a cake, because a 3D could be more efficient and intricate than doing it by hand.

3D printers in the home will likely be treated the same way as normal printers are today, but commercial versions most certainly have a future in manufacturing (and for production, just R&D). I don't mean this as a dig, but many of you are seeing this from the perspective of consumers, I'm seeing it from the perspective of a manufacturer (NB I'm in a commercial function, not an engineer, but still) - anybody else work in manufacturing and see the extensive possibilities?

kabayiri

People seem to think we don't get another opportunity with the EU.

We clearly do. It's called A49.

As part of our deal with the EU, we could negotiate the re-entry conditions. It would sate the appetite of the 48%.

This is actually a good thing for the EU too. The organization needs to learn how to be an evolving entity, capable of dealing with internal change from things like political revolution in individual member states.

kabayiri

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

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3D printers in the home will likely be treated the same way as normal printers are today, but commercial versions most certainly have a future in manufacturing (and for production, just R&D). I don't mean this as a dig, but many of you are seeing this from the perspective of consumers, I'm seeing it from the perspective of a manufacturer (NB I'm in a commercial function, not an engineer, but still) - anybody else work in manufacturing and see the extensive possibilities?

People are judging 3D production through the lens of existing material technology, which I think is blinkered.

A while back I got to talk to a number of the graphene researchers in Manchester on a regular basis.

The possibilities are mind blowing if they come off. This could change our whole approach to production.

We are already seeing change in chip production. I can get 'swiss army knife' VLSI designs now with AI onboard, which allows for customization and tuning at the customer site.

Rusty_Shackleton

kabayiri wrote: »

People seem to think we don't get another opportunity with the EU.

We clearly do. It's called A49.

As part of our deal with the EU, we could negotiate the re-entry conditions. It would sate the appetite of the 48%.

This is actually a good thing for the EU too. The organization needs to learn how to be an evolving entity, capable of dealing with internal change from things like political revolution in individual member states.

It's an excellent point, but I suspect many brexiters would rather try to burn bridges to make sure we stay out of the EU, even after they're dead. The reason so little of what they do makes sense is because it's ideological.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

People seem to think we don't get another opportunity with the EU.

We clearly do. It's called A49.

As part of our deal with the EU, we could negotiate the re-entry conditions. It would sate the appetite of the 48%.

This is actually a good thing for the EU too. The organization needs to learn how to be an evolving entity, capable of dealing with internal change from things like political revolution in individual member states.

A49 is for any European country wishing to join the EU, the procedure will be the same whether it's the UK or it's Albania. As long as requirements are met and there is an absolute majority from EU member states it will progress.

The British clearly believe that they could waltz back in, but this has been made clear that it will not be so easy and it'll definitely not be on the same terms as today.

Do you really believe that after 2 years of this saga, the EU will welcome the UK back like the prodigal son? Beside, the perception of the UK will be crushed in the EU and everywhere else. (i.e. after few years out, the UK realised that the grass is not so green out there and begs to be re-admitted).

Rusty_Shackleton

always_sunny wrote: »

A49 is for any European country wishing to join the EU, the procedure will be the same whether it's the UK or it's Albania. As long as requirements are met and there is an absolute majority from EU member states it will progress.

The British clearly believe that they could waltz back in, but this has been made clear that it will not be so easy and it'll definitely not be on the same terms as today.

Do you really believe that after 2 years of this saga, the EU will welcome the UK back like the prodigal son? Beside, the perception of the UK will be crushed in the EU and everywhere else. (i.e. after few years out, the UK realised that the grass is not so green out there and begs to be re-admitted).

While I think we'll lose our rebate, agree to join the Euro/Schengen in the long run (i.e. after an undefined period, where everyone pretend it'll happen but probably wont) etc. I don't think the EU and other European countries will hold the actions of some against the rest of us. Only half voted for leave, and as the population ages that proportion decreases. I think it's a uniquely British/American way of thinking where we think of others in such immature ways as we (and the US) behave. Maybe I give the EU too much credit, we'll see.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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Do you really believe that after 2 years of this saga, the EU will welcome the UK back like the prodigal son? Beside, the perception of the UK will be crushed in the EU and everywhere else. (i.e. after few years out, the UK realised that the grass is not so green out there and begs to be re-admitted).

I made no comment on the ease of going back in.

I just think that when I join a club, *that* is the point at where I know and accept what the exit criteria are.

This is the same, just the other way around.

The EU do come to different joining arrangements, Ukraine being an example.

kabayiri

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

It's an excellent point, but I suspect many brexiters would rather try to burn bridges to make sure we stay out of the EU, even after they're dead. The reason so little of what they do makes sense is because it's ideological.

Look at where many of the graphene phd researchers come from. Look at where the Chinese premier made a point of visiting on his UK visit. Look at where the funding for Cambridge and Oxford research programs is coming from.

It's increasingly the East. This is my point. I don't think the EU is the salvation people think it is.

Maybe this is a wake up call.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

Do you think being in the EU has hindered the inflows of money from the East? Judging by your excitement it seems not.

I don't see excitement. I'm hardly JK Rowling in my writing.

It will be entirely down to us to recognise the new challenges. I said before that Brexit was in no way an end goal, just a disruptor.

It will lead to disruptive change, and with change comes the possibility for new ways for individuals to profit.