Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Why do British students work on farms across the world on their travels, I know 2 right now working on orange farms in Israel?

Because it's a self-financing way to travel the world. Visit a country, do casual work for a while, visit another country.

Or are you implying they've traveled to Israel just for the orange farming?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Because it's a self-financing way to travel the world. Visit a country, do casual work for a while, visit another country.

Or are you implying they've traveled to Israel just for the orange farming?

But according to some you can only do this within the EU, travel and work.
Are Israel EU members now then?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Because it's a self-financing way to travel the world. Visit a country, do casual work for a while, visit another country.

Or are you implying they've traveled to Israel just for the orange farming?

But you lot tell us 'Brits wont do those kind of jobs'. I don't believe it, it's one of those lefty urban myths that took hold that classic bovine QT audience members auto applaud without any reflection as to whether the statement is born of fact or not.


http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/work/shortterm/farm_jobs_agriculture.shtml
Farm Work Abroad

Paying and Volunteer Farm Jobs

always_sunny

Conrad wrote: »

Did we do these jobs in 2004 just prior to massive scale FOM under Blair?

What is the point of this line that is brought up every time?
Just because something was done before, it doesn't mean it will be done now or in the future.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

always_sunny wrote: »

What is the point of this line that is brought up every time?
Just because something was done before, it doesn't mean it will be done now or in the future.

Try reading post #339 in this thread again.
If the industry itself believes we can, why should we instead believe a faceless forum poster?

The nationalities of these workers have changed over the decades in the UK. There used to be a seasonal agricultural workers scheme which allowed growers and farmers to attract workers from across the world.
The industry says it worked and believes it's the obvious solution now Britain has decided to leave the EU.

Conrad

always_sunny wrote: »

What is the point of this line that is brought up every time?
Just because something was done before, it doesn't mean it will be done now or in the future.

So give me this magic timeline when Brits stopped working on farms and Poles suddenly started.


It's just the laziest of arguments. The actual fact of the matter is that farmers found a CHEAPER labour source when Blair opened the flood gates.


I know plenty of farmers through work and most have considerable property wealth, now routinely hiving off barns and land for development, or erecting small industrial units by the dozen to let out. The guy that first foresaw the Banking crash is currently recommending investors there and here buy farms over any other investment.

Conrad

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Try reading post #339 in this thread again.
If the industry itself believes we can, why should we instead believe a faceless forum poster?

Yes I meant to mention this to. The worry-fiends think foreign farming labour will collapse but of course as we've always said, we can quite easily set up a sensible managed immigration system that can cater towards the reasonable needs of business, but that should not seek to undermine UK wages

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's gap year stuff. These kids are trying to fund a holiday before they go to Uni.

They're not planning on picking oranges or butternut squash for a living when they get their degrees.

How did we pick fruit before 2004? Why cant we manage after Brexit?

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/eu-leaders-uk-plan-citizens-rights-vague-inadequate We are in such a mess!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's gap year stuff. These kids are trying to fund a holiday before they go to Uni.

They're not planning on picking oranges or butternut squash for a living when they get their degrees.

No one is suggesting these will become permanent pickers; the next year's crop will be picked by a new crop of travelling students and so it is self-perpetuating.

FYI here's a snippet on tattie-picking right up to the eighties, just so you understand how it used to be done:

"On the Friday you'd get dropped off with your pay packet, a couple of bags of tatties and some turnips to drag home to your mum," he says. "It did seem like a lot of money. I spent it on treats for my pony, and sweets."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2013/apr/21/michael-gove-shorter-school-holidays

No, I am not suggesting we wind the clock back and return to those days; that however is how it used to be.

Nowadays, besides imported workers there is no incentive for students to earn extra cash. Added to which many others of the traditional areas (not just tattie-picking but say paper delivery) have - if not disappeared altogether - seriously reduced requirements.
At one time most children of say 14+ had a Saturday or weekend job; not so today.

Again, I am not for one moment suggesting that hordes of youngsters are conscripted into seasonal labour.
I do however think that we are depriving many of the opportunity to gain experience.