Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

TM: EU citizens can stay. Oversight by ECJ firmly rejected.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/brexit-deal-3-million-eu-citizens-allowed-stay-uk-permanently/

Seems a reasonable starting point for discussions.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40354331



The fall in Sterling has meant we're asking migrants to do jobs Brits don't fancy and take a pay cut for doing it.

Your post should have read with the fall in the exchange rate UK jobs are no longer appealing to EU workers. After all most of the money earnt is taken home. Not aided by the fact that air fares have increased on some routes considerably.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Yeah that's what annoys me the most. What useful stuff could we have done if we weren't wasting to much time on that?

Or are we better keeping the civil servants out of the way doing busy work and letting everyone just get on with stuff?

Perhaps this will focus everyone to the tasks that really matter to this country. With it an improvement in the quality of those that represent us.

cogito

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seems a reasonable starting point for discussions.

I really have no idea why it is even necessary to discuss this issue with the EU. Surely who we allow to admit is between the UK and the individual immigrant wherever he or she is from. That's how it works everywhere else.

vivatifosi

cogito wrote: »

I really have no idea why it is even necessary to discuss this issue with the EU. Surely who we allow to admit is between the UK and the individual immigrant wherever he or she is from. That's how it works everywhere else.

It makes sense for two reasons. First, it means that the rights of the million plus Brits in Europe are also maintained. Second, we will have a huge number of resources tied up in negotiating Brexit, the last thing we need is to double, or treble these by looking at cases individually.

I would like to see the right to return persistent petty criminals to their home nation though.

always_sunny

Rinoa wrote: »

TM: EU citizens can stay. Oversight by ECJ firmly rejected.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/brexit-deal-3-million-eu-citizens-allowed-stay-uk-permanently/

That was pretty much a known thing, I can't imagine the UK gov asking EU citizens to leave and then have the cheek to ask for a trade deal.
Beside, the UK anti-sentiment across the continent would be huge if people were forced to leave.

Now, let's see how it's established who's here with no real registration process...

always_sunny

vivatifosi wrote: »

I would like to see the right to return persistent petty criminals to their home nation though.

That will happen if there's no ECJ.
Another possibility would be for the UK to start enforcing EU FoM rules as well but that requires doing something...

Herzlos

vivatifosi wrote: »

I would like to see the right to return persistent petty criminals to their home nation though.

I'm pretty sure we already had that, and it was only used a handful of times.

always_sunny

ilovehouses wrote: »

Odd. You've quoted me saying that very thing. People coming to work in the UK and hoping to send money home have to take an effective 20% pay cut.

You know it's a very interesting topic, I was talking to a British friend of mine few weeks ago and she couldn't understand the fact that the pound is lower.

My brain is automatically wired to think of the £ and exchange it. For my friend, £1 is still £1 and actually insisting the pound was still strong because it was more than 1 Euro (or 1 USD).

I suppose it depends on how you look at things, the impact indeed will be on foreigners coming to work cause salaries aren't as attractive but also on the increased cost of importing things.

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

The other issue and it's quite fundamental is that Brits don't want to do the jobs that migrants do.

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Did we do these jobs in 2004 just prior to massive scale FOM under Blair?


If not, how were these jobs done?


How do you know 'we wont do those jobs'? Have you evidence, or have you just heard this?


Why do British students work on farms across the world on their travels, I know 2 right now working on orange farms in Israel?


Do you care about the ill effects on the Lithuanian and other economies of them losing their young people? Who will care for their elderly and abused kids?


Can you think of ways we could pay a little more for food, perhaps even eat a little less to offset the cost rise, and pay farm workers a bit more? Have you met many farmers? I know plenty and they are both very rich and very tight.