Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

always_sunny wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether you (or UK voters) call it a club, an union, a racket or whatever other fancy names you come up with, the bottom line is the same though, by March 2019, the UK will have ZERO influence on the matter.

What the UK thinks, believes, etc is completely irrelevant to other EU member states.
(like what the UK may think or believe of policies of the United States are completely irrelevant to Americans).

I couldn't agree more. There is far too much criticism in this thread of the EU. It's almost as if the posters NEED to justify again and again the madness that is Brexit.
14 months after the referendum where is the BREXIT BOOM? That's what Brexiters should be posting about.

If posters want to criticise the EU, something we will not be a member of in 592 days they should post in the appropriate thread.
This one https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5683435
However the anti EU crowd seem to have lost their enthusiasm for it and want to waste our time in this thread.

This is a great countdown clock http://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/

Herzlos

Arklight wrote: »

To be fair I doubt the ones trying to desert the UK now also voted for Brexit. As people with an interest in the world outside their back garden they've found been stiffed over by the Brexiteers in the same way as everybody else.

I'm not sure - I got the impression those moving to mostly-British clusters in Spain/Portugal (with British shops, mechanics, pumbers) and not learning the local language or trying to integrate i.e. the ones looking for England, but warmer, would be the same ones voting for Brexit.

What percentage of the people looking to retire into the EU before we shut the gate are in that camp, I don't know.

mayonnaise

CKhalvashi wrote: »

If the UK does leave the EU, I will be campaigning to re-join with no rebates and the only opt out being Article 50. That means Schengen and the Euro...

Not necessarily.
There are several nations in the EU who 'should' be adopting the Euro but have no plan whatsoever to do so. (Sweden, Hungary, Czech Rep. etc...)
Article on the 'Article 49' strategy in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/9f4fd278-790e-11e7-a3e8-60495fe6ca71

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not sure - I got the impression those moving to mostly-British clusters in Spain/Portugal (with British shops, mechanics, pumbers) and not learning the local language or trying to integrate i.e. the ones looking for England, but warmer, would be the same ones voting for Brexit.

Perhaps FoM has a downside for our European partners. People of a certain culture prefer to group together. Enough examples in the UK.

Seems as if the Germans are getting angsty as well.

German minister says too many people are speaking English in Berlin

A popular German politician says too many people are speaking English in everyday life in the country.
Jens Spahn, who some people think could replace current Chancellor Angela Merkel, is the junior finance minister.
"It drives me up the wall the way waiters in Berlin restaurants only speak English," he told a German newspaper.
He says Germans are too relaxed on the issue and that it would never happen in Paris.
Mr Spahn thinks "co-existence can only work in Germany if we all speak German" and wants all immigrants to learn the language.
Areas in Berlin like Mitte and Prenzlauer Berg are home to lots of American expats and they have restaurants and bars with staff recruited from across Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40922739/german-minister-says-too-many-people-are-speaking-english-in-berlin

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

14 months after the referendum where is the BREXIT BOOM? That's what Brexiters should be posting about.

Why should Brexit result in an instanteous boom in the economy?

(Not wishing to debate the subject further. However need to point out that a no vote was forecast to bring about a decline. So your question appears to be one of heads I win , tails you lose).

Herzlos

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say a no (Remain) vote would result in a decline.

A yes (Leave) vote was meant to take us from strength to strength, free of the shackles of that pesky parasitic EU.

I agree though, we won't see any actual growth (be it +ve or -ve) until we actually leave. But I'm seeing almost no potential growth on the horizon. A few posts about businesses investing in London, but nothing about where all this mythical growth is going to come from.

I pushed for a few pages on what benefits we're expecting to get from the US trade deal, and I've asked a few times about the benefits of Brexit and got nothing, so I gave up. There seems to be nothing to say about what a future Brexit will exceed at.

So we're doing to 43 groups of posts:
* Any shred of evidence that people have confidence in London
* Any threat of things being worse after Brexit
* Lots of asking about what's going on.
* Lots of EU bashing.

We've got a unique opportunity to reinvent stuff and lead the world in something for a change, but there's absolutely no appetite to discuss what that is. Where's the vast improvements to green energy? The vast infrastructure improvements? The new research? New university projects? Anything that's not just "more of the same"?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say a no (Remain) vote would result in a decline.

A yes (Leave) vote was meant to take us from strength to strength, free of the shackles of that pesky parasitic EU.

Seems to be a case of selective memory then. Nor do I remember the EU being described in such a manner.

As you appear to wish to rake over old ground yet again. Here's a reminder.

George Osborne will warn that he would have to fill the £30bn black hole in public finances triggered by a vote to leave the European Union by hiking income tax, alcohol and petrol duties and making massive cuts to the NHS, schools and defence.

In a sign of the panic gripping the remain campaign, the chancellor plans to say that the hit to the economy will be so large that he will have little choice but to tear apart Conservative manifesto promises in an emergency budget delivered within weeks of an out vote.

The UK economy doesn't have the ability to transform itself overnight. Nor to resolve it's structural financial issues. Steady growth is itself going to be an achievement.

Any shred of evidence that people have confidence in London

London is renowned the world over for it's financial and legal services sector. Suggesting that there isn't confidence is an indicator that you know little of the wider activities that are undertaken.

We've got a unique opportunity to reinvent stuff and lead the world in something for a change, but there's absolutely no appetite to discuss what that is.

ARM was sold the Japanese. 7 out of 8 quoted Lloyds underwriters have been bought by overseas investor in the past 3 years. As we are more interested in trading houses than ownership of key enterprises. That's a cultural issue that has nothing to do with Brexit. Takes years to a build a business from the bottom up.

buglawton

On March 29th the Express reported:

Downing Street this afternoon confirmed the 24-month deadline for reaching a Brexit deal will expire “when Big Ben bongs midnight” on the night of March 29-30, 2019.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785512/Article-50-Brexit-Big-Ben-chime-midnight-March-29-30-2019-Britain-leave-EU

how convenient...

vivatifosi

buglawton wrote: »

On March 29th the Express reported:

Downing Street this afternoon confirmed the 24-month deadline for reaching a Brexit deal will expire “when Big Ben bongs midnight” on the night of March 29-30, 2019.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785512/Article-50-Brexit-Big-Ben-chime-midnight-March-29-30-2019-Britain-leave-EU

how convenient...

Oh that's hilarious:rotfl:

In case anyone hasn't heard the other news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40922169

BobQ

vivatifosi wrote: »

Oh that's hilarious:rotfl:

In case anyone hasn't heard the other news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40922169

Rather catches the reality of the situation.