Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Matt_L

mayonnaise wrote: »

British pensioners rushing to settle in EU countries ahead of Brexit



Nice.
First they screw the country's future by voting for brexit, then they're off to the continent to avoid the consequences.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/british-pensioners-rushing-to-settle-move-eu-countries-ahead-of-brexit-france-spain-portugal-a7891606.html

Im confused as to how you know these are people that voted leave??

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

I am saying that the EU is fairly toothless when it comes to the crunch.

What use is a principle like FOM when an individual state can effectively neuter it on religious grounds, for example.

Or do you consider 90% movement enough of a benchmark? Of course not, because that's just b0ll0ks.

Don't make me laugh with the finding faults comment. It's just the reverse of people here finding endless fault with the UK side.

But so are many countries, is the UK any better when it comes to the crunch?
What country has effectively neuter FoM on the ground of religion? Name it? Show me?
If you are referring again at the refugees, again these folks are not EU nationals are they?

What I am saying is a lot of people [here] seem to spend their time trying to find faults in the EU in attempts to prove some sort of point, though the UK in the EU is history, there's no point looking at faults there, absolutely none.

In less than 2 years time the UK will have less influence in the EU than Turkey really so the time is better spent looking at the domestic issues and address them.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

What I am saying is a lot of people [here] seem to spend their time trying to find faults in the EU in attempts to prove some sort of point,

Only to counter the stream of negativism posted by people who are "British" citizens supposedly. Brexit being the root of the UK's woes. When it is far from it. The UK faces serious challenges in or out. That can only be resolved internally. Without outside interference.

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Only to counter the stream of negativism posted by people who are "British" citizens supposedly. Brexit being the root of the UK's woes. When it is far from it. The UK faces serious challenges in or out. That can only be resolved internally. Without outside interference.

I see that negativism as part of managing Brexit in the UK; the Eurosceptics have been replaced by Brexsceptics to the same tune. Not long ago the EU was the root of all UK's woes and still is."When it is far from it."

Pointing out that EU has flaws here and there does absolutely nothing to the UK in terms of post-Brexit. If you want Brexsceptics to keep quiet, Brexit has to deliver something better than the current proposition. (Why were Eurosceptics moaning about? Think in reverse)

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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Pointing out that EU has flaws here and there does absolutely nothing to the UK in terms of post-Brexit. If you want Brexsceptics to keep quiet, Brexit has to deliver something better than the current proposition. (Why were Eurosceptics moaning about? Think in reverse)

Don't you remember that the whole referendum vote was about remaining in this club called the EU.

In which case, it is entirely appropriate to point out any perceived flaws in the club.

You may think that the 4 core principles are indivisible. I don't. Clearly, there are many voters in the UK who don't believe in them either.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

If you want Brexsceptics to keep quiet, Brexit has to deliver something better than the current proposition.

Who suggested that people should keep quiet? Debate and discussion is healthy.

What proposition is Brexit currently delivering?

Tromking

always_sunny wrote: »

In less than 2 years time the UK will have less influence in the EU than Turkey really so the time is better spent looking at the domestic issues and address them.

The point for many was to reduce EU influence in UK domestic affairs, not to worry about the other way round.

CKhalvashi

always_sunny wrote: »

In less than 2 years time the UK will have less influence in the EU than Turkey really so the time is better spent looking at the domestic issues and address them.

No, the time is much better spent trying to prevent it happening in the first place.

I was willing to accept the result as long as it was done sensibly. As a direct result of both government policy and the attitude of some Leave voters I am no longer willing to accept the result. I now view anything less than remaining in the EU as unacceptable.

If the UK does leave the EU, I will be campaigning to re-join with no rebates and the only opt out being Article 50. That means Schengen and the Euro, neither of which I was particularly happy with a year ago but now believe the UK should be a member of as it's only fair to our neighbouring countries.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

Don't you remember that the whole referendum vote was about remaining in this club called the EU.

In which case, it is entirely appropriate to point out any perceived flaws in the club.

You may think that the 4 core principles are indivisible. I don't. Clearly, there are many voters in the UK who don't believe in them either.

The referendum was over a year go. Done and dust it in terms of results.

Whether you and many other voters in the UK believe the 4 core principles are divisible is irrelevant because you and these many other UK voters will not belong to the club by March 2019.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

No, the time is much better spent trying to prevent it happening in the first place.

Too late. There's already a divergence within the EU as well. A two speed Europe appears to be high up the agenda. Little point in campaigning until it's known what it is that the UK would rejoin.