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Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)
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A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »It seems the "eventually" to you means September then?
We'll see if that materializes.Expand on this then.
Do you think we will abandon the pound for a shared currency? (Be it the Euro or a replacement)
Sure. I think we'll go cap in hand to the EU and end up taking the full integration we've been avoiding, because it's the best option we're given. Shengen (if it is still in play), Euro, and without the rebates. Same as any other new member.
4,000 miles of ocean. 5+ hours of time difference. Why would we form a union with a continent on the other side of the world instead of the one we've got direct road access to?Why wouldn't we choose another union, perhaps with North America?It's easy to forget that there is political and economic change outside of the EU.
No-ones forgetting it.0 -
I paid below asking price, but I started by making an offer. They rejected it, I made another offer, they accepted, I moved in.
You can't buy a house by refusing to say how much you want to pay, or even asking "What's the lowest you'll take?".
Or do you think you can be successful in a negotiation by not telling your opposite anything?
So you negotiated then. You understand then that you asked them to sell you the house at price X, and they said yes/no and so on.
So why are you having a fit over the UK adopting the same strategy. We want free trade as close as we can get to what we currently have, minus free movement, minus customs union and the bill for leaving must not be ridiculous. I don't see a problem with that starting position. How is that any different from your opening offers on the house you allegedly bought below asking?
Do you see it now?0 -
Expand on this then.
Do you think we will abandon the pound for a shared currency? (Be it the Euro or a replacement)
Why wouldn't we choose another union, perhaps with North America?
It's easy to forget that there is political and economic change outside of the EU.
Do you think current demographics will stay as they're in 30 years time?
Do you think that folks who are in their 60s or 70s today will still be around?
In 30 years time, folks who aren't even born yet will be voting!
Maybe all migrants here with children who will be of voting age will want to rekindle with the rest of the continent.
Maybe the USA won't be as important economically as it was.
Maybe we will all have social income and borders won't matter as much.
Maybe the UK as it exists today won't exist in the future.
Maybe the EU will have expanded even further.
30 years is a long time, we can't say what will happen.EU expat working in London0 -
Quite so.Expand on this then.
Do you think we will abandon the pound for a shared currency? (Be it the Euro or a replacement)
Why wouldn't we choose another union, perhaps with North America?
It's easy to forget that there is political and economic change outside of the EU.
The EU seem to be forging ever-closer ties with Russia whilst we in the UK seem to be aligning more with USA & Japan, as well as recognising that future growth (with which to do business) will come from outside the EU and in fact will be largely in Asia.
Added to which many senior figures within the EU itself have openly stated that they recognise major change as necessary for the EU to survive.
There has been much on that posted before.
Not, I should imagine, that the "usual suspects" will even acknowledge the existence of those.0 -
We'll see if that materializes.
Sure. I think we'll go cap in hand to the EU and end up taking the full integration we've been avoiding, because it's the best option we're given. Shengen (if it is still in play), Euro, and without the rebates. Same as any other new member.
4,000 miles of ocean. 5+ hours of time difference. Why would we form a union with a continent on the other side of the world instead of the one we've got direct road access to?
No-ones forgetting it.
I wouldn't like to predict the future, so who knows, you could be right. The rate of change seems to increase with every passing decade.
This currency thing could be a difficult one though. The Euro hasn't exactly been selling itself to new potential members.
The distance one is interesting. We seem to have no problem trading with China in truly massive volumes, and yet we don't have a road there. The container ship truly was one of the biggest changes the world has known.0 -
always_sunny wrote: »...
30 years is a long time, we can't say what will happen.
Well, some are saying on here we will have rejoined the EU.
I can't even say what will happen in 10 years time, never mind 30.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »How is that any different from your opening offers on the house you allegedly bought below asking?
Because we don't see to know what we want. We sort of made a few vague pitches, but nothing concrete. EU hasn't got enough information to accept/reject yet, even at the most basic level.0 -
"Macron's popularity falls as summer break approaches, poll shows"
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-politics-idUKKBN1AJ1IC?il=0
How long will it take do you think before we see a surge of unrest in France?
http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/08/frances-housing-aid-row-latest-indication-emmanuel-macrons-class-problem
Did I mention names?ilovehouses wrote: »He says as if butter wouldn't melt...;)
Strange then how you felt it necessary to respond.
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Because we don't see to know what we want. We sort of made a few vague pitches, but nothing concrete. EU hasn't got enough information to accept/reject yet, even at the most basic level.
We've been clear enough for them to reject them. What's not to understand about what we've requested?0 -
I wouldn't like to predict the future, so who knows, you could be right. The rate of change seems to increase with every passing decade.
The In/Out balance, based on the demographics has likely already shifted to Remain, give it another 30 years and that 65+ band that was the only one with a Leave majority will be 95+. Will the younger generations be more in/out? Will people change from in to out over time?The distance one is interesting. We seem to have no problem trading with China in truly massive volumes, and yet we don't have a road there. The container ship truly was one of the biggest changes the world has known.
You have to admit that it's easier to trade and work with France than China though, right?0
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