Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

TrickyTree83

Arklight wrote: »

We'll see about that.

This is typical of this alternate reality you appear to inhabit.

We've invoked article 50, we've a government in position who will be able to last even without the DUP support through to March 2019 and beyond.

What exactly do you think you can do to stop it? You're clearly not with the majority otherwise the votes, both, would have swung the other way.

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

It must be a damn good article - you're the third to post it.

It is. It's talking about how the UK negotiators are usually well regarded for being forthcoming about what they want, being exceptionally well prepared and leading negotiations, and that this secrecy is so out of character that everyone is suspicious that we're just playing some sort of frustrating game.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm entirely confident that we'll have rejoined the EU (or it's successor) in my lifetime, probably before I retire in 33 years.

I'm entirely confident that the EU as we know it won't exist in 33 years and the UK certainly wouldn't want to be part of it if it's still around.

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Nope, but nothing you said negates my point. One of the key aspects in a negotiation is the negotiating. You can't get anything until you discuss it. Playing so close to your chest that your opposite can't do anything doesn't give you any strength, comes across as weakness and just reduces the time available to actually discuss things.

We're going to have to tell them what we want eventually, so why not get stuck in and try to get it over with?

That's not how negotiation works and you're fully aware of that, I've no idea why you and others like you continue to be so obtuse about this.

If what you say is correct then you've never paid below asking for a property in your life, and you never will. But yeah, weakness, ok then.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

It is. It's talking about how the UK negotiators are usually well regarded for being forthcoming about what they want, being exceptionally well prepared and leading negotiations, and that this secrecy is so out of character that everyone is suspicious that we're just playing some sort of frustrating game.

They are stuck by politically correct Westminster audience back home.

There is no common UK position with the EU, I am sure we can all agree on that.

So it's easier for negotiators if they can claim that they were 'forced' into particular positions by a vastly bigger EU27.

I rather suspect they will chip away by examining in detail the EU's relationship with other non-EU countries. There is quite a bit of difference between Turkey and Ukraine, for example, in terms of their relationship.

The EU has a duty of care to deal with all countries on an equal basis, and this is difficult to reconcile with a desire to punish the EU as an example with others.

Of course, this is speculation. We probably won't hear the really juicy detail which takes place.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Nope, but nothing you said negates my point. One of the key aspects in a negotiation is the negotiating. You can't get anything until you discuss it. Playing so close to your chest that your opposite can't do anything doesn't give you any strength, comes across as weakness and just reduces the time available to actually discuss things.

We're going to have to tell them what we want eventually, so why not get stuck in and try to get it over with?

That only proves that you are ignoring what you don't seem to like because you are ignoring this, from within a link which has been posted three times today and which I posted earlier. But here you go again:

“In September they’re going to swamp us with [position] papers on the fault lines — exactly the issues where they know we [the EU27 countries] are divided,” he warned.

It seems the "eventually" to you means September then?
This is BTW when TM has already said she will clarify, which is what the Politico report alludes to.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'm not sneering at my country. I'm holding my sides at the idea EU are so incredulous at the shambles the UK government present they think it must be a strategy.

You are sneering at your country, your government, and your fellow citizens, just because they made a democratic decision you don't agree with.

Edited: To cool things down.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm entirely confident that we'll have rejoined the EU (or it's successor) in my lifetime, probably before I retire in 33 years.

Expand on this then.

Do you think we will abandon the pound for a shared currency? (Be it the Euro or a replacement)

Why wouldn't we choose another union, perhaps with North America?

It's easy to forget that there is political and economic change outside of the EU.

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

That's not how negotiation works and you're fully aware of that, I've no idea why you and others like you continue to be so obtuse about this.

If what you say is correct then you've never paid below asking for a property in your life, and you never will. But yeah, weakness, ok then.

I paid below asking price, but I started by making an offer. They rejected it, I made another offer, they accepted, I moved in.

You can't buy a house by refusing to say how much you want to pay, or even asking "What's the lowest you'll take?".

Or do you think you can be successful in a negotiation by not telling your opposite anything?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Treachery now?
Really?
*sigh*
The below seems very appropriate as a response:

Matt_L wrote: »

There appears to be a lot of anger and bitterness coming from the remoaners lately...

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

You are sneering at your country, your government, and your fellow citizens, just because they made a decision you don't agree with.

Please be aware of the propensity of certain posters here to frequently use their index finger on a certain box below posts containing a triangle.