Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

You clearly don't have a clue about whats happening in the UK. You've been away too long.

I don't need to be told what to worry about from someone who doesn't even live in the UK, yet is SO worried about what happens here, thanks.

Where do you think I live? Of course I live in the UK, why would I debate on "Brexit, The Economy and House Prices" if I weren't physically located here?
Are you in Germany, Finland or Sweden? Maybe Southern Italy that you're so concerned about this migrants?

I admit, I was not impacted by "Rashan Charles protest: Riot police called to Dalston as fireworks and bottles launched at officers, Eyewitnesses see youths throwing Molotov cocktails at police officers" (that was a week ago)

These do make me uneasy "Moped gangs rob 54 times a day in London and even hold training sessions snatching phones from each other before they hit the streets" (I have witnessed this in fairly broad day light around the British Museum)

Surely don't feel like walking everywhere at night with "Roll call of death: Map shows how widespread knife crime is across London"; that's "11 people stabbed to death in the past two weeks." Maybe you think it's a low risk number.

If similar events were happening in Berlin or Paris, we would have breaking news telling us how refugees are causing public unrest, here they are barely mentioned.

Maybe you live in a gated community in the UK or perhaps you prefer to look at issues elsewhere before worrying about the mess you have at home.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I have said before - including only yesterday - that the UK has had the EU "on the back foot" when it comes to Brexit.
Well it seems that slowly this realisation may be dawning upon Eurocrats too.

This from Politico who are renowned for being rabidly pro-EU yet in recent days seem to have reached acceptance that the EU is not the all-encompassing nirvana which they previously espoused with their "Dishonest Germans"; "Summer Hotspots" and "Macron's Italian Snubs" reports:
"Brussels fears Britain’s ‘Brexit chaos’ part of cunning plan"

“I think it’s tactics: They are playing for time on purpose,” one attach! from a Western EU country said, “under the pretext of chaos in London.”
“In September they’re going to swamp us with [position] papers on the fault lines — exactly the issues where they know we [the EU27 countries] are divided,” he warned.

http://www.politico.eu/article/united-kingdom-brexit-eu-david-davis-the-uks-secret-brexit-strategy-so-stealth-even-the-british-cant-see-it/

LeeU

I was in Malmo in January this year, I was sat in a meeting with 1 Dane and 2 Swedes, at the end of the meeting one of the Swedes asked if it was alright for him to ask me a question that was not work based.
The question ended up being a series of questions on the referendum, if I'd voted, how I'd voted and why.
I explained that, yes I had voted, I voted to leave and I sat and I gave him a highlevel on why I had voted to leave. He say there at the end of it and was shocked I hadn't mentioned immigration, I explained thatwhile it was a concern living on an island it wasn't a primary reason for me voting to leave.
He accepted this and the other reasons for me voting to leave the EU and agreed they were issues that would be close to him if or when Sweden got a choice on EU membership.
Whenever I travel, and I do quite often for work, I like to walk around after work, see the place where I am, etc, so I asked him where he recommended I go to see the real Malmo, this guy then put a map of Malmo up on the projector and, with a tear in his eyes, told me the places I should avoid in the evening.
I was then advised to make sure I could see my bag (laptop bag) at all times while out on the streets, if not, first you would feel a slight pull as people tried undoing zips, etc, to see what you were carrying and then they would try to snatch your bag.
I've seen Malmo and the trouble at night cause by what the Swedes call their uninvited guests, it's terrible, cars being burnt out, roaming gangs of youths, etc, the police are powerless as these gangs know they only have to tell the police they are 15 and there's nothing the police can do; they take them to the station and hand them over to social services who then release them, there's no way of checking their ages, etc.

mayonnaise

This article in Politico today.

http://www.politico.eu/article/united-kingdom-brexit-eu-david-davis-the-uks-secret-brexit-strategy-so-stealth-even-the-british-cant-see-it/

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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Maybe you live in a gated community in the UK or perhaps you prefer to look at issues elsewhere before worrying about the mess you have at home.

Nope. Not a gated community.

Yes. I visit Sweden, and have done since the mid 90s, and to a lesser extent Denmark. I've seen changes, but it comes down to where you visit.

No point in arguing with you any more. You don't know the solution with non-EU migrants. Nor do I. (Well, people would call my solution cruel, but I'd say cruel to be kind)

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Your kids are going to be competing with Chinese; Indian; Korean; possibly even South American kids for future work.

That's the "job market" now. In some sectors it has been like that for over 2 decades.

Indeed. And how does Brexit and the weakened economy help with that? By making us cheap enough that we can be outsourced to?

At the moment I (but not my kids) have the ability to accept a job anywhere in the EU, attend a university anywhere within the EU, without having to deal with the chicken-and-egg that is work VISAs.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I have said before - including only yesterday - that the UK has had the EU "on the back foot" when it comes to Brexit.

We're only keeping them on the back foot by giving them nothing to react to; I don't think we're out negotiating or out-preparing them. I'd be on the back foot trying to play chess with a pigeon. I'm not sure how this helps us?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

An interesting read:
"Staying in the Single Market would be counter-productive, not pragmatic"



http://www.cityam.com/269630/staying-single-market-would-counter-productive-not

ilovehouses wrote: »

Haha. "As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?"

It's worth remembering that the same people that are behind this cunning plan are the ones who also had a cunning plan to increase their majority. Actually maybe the hung parliament is another cunning plan to help give the impression of general ineptitude. God those Tories are good!

Will you be contributing towards this? Perhaps not eh?
https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/campaigns/4399/ready-for-rees-mogg?utm_source=Crowdpac+UK&utm_campaign=cd77612c69-JRM_CAMPAIGN_2017_08_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_477fdcc4e8-cd77612c69-217922213

Arklight

vivatifosi wrote: »

Oh I can add to that list. someone I know voted leave because they didn't like being told what to do by President Obama.

People voted both ways for a whole host of reasons. Taking the mickey out of why people voted one way or another is fine, providing it doesn't then border on eugenics and suggesting that one group or another should be denied the right to vote because they are incapable of exercising it effectively.

Yes but on the other hand, if all the people who self selected themselves as thick, xenophobic, and completely ignorant about anything concerning the EU has been excluded from voting, Remain would have won by a large margin.

And then a year on, the Remain win could quite easily be justified by most Remain voters actually being able to explain coherently why they voted Remain. Rather than muttering about Muslims, light bulbs and how the EU want to ban sour cream Pringles and Jeremy Kyle.

phillw

cogito wrote: »

Maybe we do know what we're doing after all.

I've been saying they are playing a game of chicken all along. If that is true then they don't know what they are doing, they are just playing at it. Going in and playing hardball when it's us that is being unreasonable and the EU are holding all the cards is kinda stupid don't you think? Unless you're bought into all that patriotic rubbish that means you think we're the good guys who will triumph at the end of the movie.

kabayiri wrote: »

Your kids are going to be competing with Chinese; Indian; Korean; possibly even South American kids for future work.

That's the "job market" now. In some sectors it has been like that for over 2 decades.

And up until brexit you had a choice of 28 countries to work in and all those countries were trying to protect jobs from the countries outside the EU club. Now you have 1 country you can work in and 1 country protecting against the rest of the world. Your children are in for a rough ride unless someone figures out how to make money from magical thinking.

TrickyTree83

Arklight wrote: »

Yes but on the other hand, if all the people who self selected themselves as thick, xenophobic, and completely ignorant about anything concerning the EU has been excluded from voting, Remain would have won by a large margin.

And then a year on, the Remain win could quite easily be justified by most Remain voters actually being able to explain coherently why they voted Remain. Rather than muttering about Muslims, light bulbs and how the EU want to ban sour cream Pringles and Jeremy Kyle.

So ignorant.