Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

The divisive issue of hundreds of thousands of refugees alone could cause major fracture lines between the different camps in the EU.

Whether the EU exists or not, whether Italy or France are part of an integrated EU or not, refugees from Africa will continue to arrive, population across the globe is still expected to grow.

Folks in the UK seem to believe they're totally immune to this problem because of Brexit and because it's an island but it could not be farther from the truth really.

if Le Touquet treaty is renegotiated as pledged by Macron, what is Britain going to do? Shoot them from afar?

Matt_L

There appears to be a lot of anger and bitterness coming from the remoaners lately...

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Matt_L wrote: »

There appears to be a lot of anger and bitterness coming from the remoaners lately...

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

Whether the EU exists or not, whether Italy or France are part of an integrated EU or not, refugees from Africa will continue to arrive, population across the globe is still expected to grow.

Folks in the UK seem to believe they're totally immune to this problem because of Brexit and because it's an island but it could not be farther from the truth really.

if Le Touquet treaty is renegotiated as pledged by Macron, what is Britain going to do? Shoot them from afar?

Listen...because I don't want to have to repeat this.

The EU is not the saviour of Africa. There will be a billion more people in Africa in just a few decades. The might of Germany is struggling to integrate just a million newcomers.

Suppose we have 10 million over the next decade. There's a good chance that the majority of these will end up on welfare in grim parts of dead end towns throughout Europe.

Do you really think they are going to be happy to sit quietly when they realize they have been sold a pup?

I doubt it. We already see unrest in Sweden; Finland; Germany.

Maybe Africa is already lost, but Europe doesn't need to be.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's a naked self interest that seems most marked in the older generation and doesn't reflect well on them.

I almost hope the research is flawed - 71 per cent of over-65s would accept a big economic hit – and half are willing for family members to lose their jobs. Just to reduce the chances of looking at foreigners - horrible people.

How is this different from Corbyn's blatant attempt to bribe the student vote, which is mainly the young?

It doesn't reflect on the educated young if they are willing to let their debts be picked up in part by those who will never get to Uni.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's a naked self interest that seems most marked in the older generation and doesn't reflect well on them.

I almost hope the research is flawed - 71 per cent of over-65s would accept a big economic hit – and half are willing for family members to lose their jobs. Just to reduce the chances of looking at foreigners - horrible people.

So when students believe Corby's promise that he will abolish education fees they are not voting in self interest?

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

if Le Touquet treaty is renegotiated as pledged by Macron, what is Britain going to do? Shoot them from afar?

Seems a cop out to resolve France's own crisis. Yet the French wouldn't discuss FOM with Cameron. As two faced as one can get. There's always been an underlying tension between us.

Fella

ilovehouses wrote: »

..and compared to the Eurozone as a whole?

For every headline that suggests Brexit is good for the economy there'll be a headline that suggests the opposite.

Every stat can be spun either way too.

So if your point is that it's endlessly tedious for the Remain crew to list every negative headline & stat for the next two years then I agree.

gfplux

Crossrail has been mentioned a couple of time.
No longer a London resident I was not too familiar with the project.
By coincidence this article from the New York Times was very informative.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/world/europe/london-crossrail-uk-brexit.html?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=39e2c54e27-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_08_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-39e2c54e27-190026745

Everything you want or need to know about crossrail.

gfplux

How about some light relief while we wait for the next round of Brexit talks to start in August 28th.

https://extranewsfeed.com/50-dumb-!!!!-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu-66a40c72c1da

It's actually 68 dumb-fxxk reasons for leaving the EU.
It's all very funny if not sad on occasion.

Does anyone want to start a list of Dumb-fxxk reasons for voting to remain.