Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

mayonnaise

gfplux wrote: »

How about some light relief while we wait for the next round of Brexit talks to start in August 28th.

https://extranewsfeed.com/50-dumb-!!!!-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu-66a40c72c1da

It's actually 68 dumb-fxxk reasons for leaving the EU.
It's all very funny if not sad on occasion.

Laugh or cry, it sure does provide a riveting view into the Brexiteer mind and its reasoning patterns. :rotfl:

buglawton

Such an objective and fair-minded survey (!)

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

How about some light relief while we wait for the next round of Brexit talks to start in August 28th.

https://extranewsfeed.com/50-dumb-!!!!-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu-66a40c72c1da

It's actually 68 dumb-fxxk reasons for leaving the EU.
It's all very funny if not sad on occasion.

Does anyone want to start a list of Dumb-fxxk reasons for voting to remain.

Oh I can add to that list. someone I know voted leave because they didn't like being told what to do by President Obama.

People voted both ways for a whole host of reasons. Taking the mickey out of why people voted one way or another is fine, providing it doesn't then border on eugenics and suggesting that one group or another should be denied the right to vote because they are incapable of exercising it effectively.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

We've moved from having a self-interest to pure unadulterated selfishness - why not accept it for what it is rather than going for the two wrongs make a right approach?

How many students do you think would be happy to see a marked economic downturn or to see their family lose their jobs so they can tuition fees. 71% and 50% respectively.

The numbers for the poll will be higher by the way. Even in anonymous polls people tend towards the 'correct' answer i.e. when you know you think something horrible you might pretend you think something nice.

Is there anything that doesn't have something to do with Corbyn?

I think it's simply wrong to say that older people voted out of pure self interest but there is evidence that younger people did.

As as UK ex-pat and older person living in a eurozone country, you would have expected me to vote remain. I didn't because I believe very firmly that leaving the EU will actually be good for both the UK and the EU in the long term. That could rebound on me in a negative way but if it does, I'll just have to deal with it. I've thought very deeply about the relationship between the UK and the EU and think that we will be a better neighbour than a reluctant member.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

Listen...because I don't want to have to repeat this.

The EU is not the saviour of Africa. There will be a billion more people in Africa in just a few decades. The might of Germany is struggling to integrate just a million newcomers.

Suppose we have 10 million over the next decade. There's a good chance that the majority of these will end up on welfare in grim parts of dead end towns throughout Europe.

Do you really think they are going to be happy to sit quietly when they realize they have been sold a pup?

I doubt it. We already see unrest in Sweden; Finland; Germany.

Maybe Africa is already lost, but Europe doesn't need to be.

And listen, you seem to believe there is control over certain things when there isn't [really].
The EU (or individual independent countries) are not the saviour of Africa but conditions there are dire. The EU is not calling them, it's folks in Africa spilling out and 10M (as you suggest over the next decade) is a 2% of the EU population, hardly a huge number objectively.

The unrest you mention in Sweden, Finland and Germany (who's in this unrest?) seems very small compared to the on-going unrest you can read about in the UK from folks the UK (allegedly legally) imported from ex-British colonies. Worry about this, it's in your country and you have control over it. Show the world what an integrated society you can build, then go and lecture. Till then, maybe look at other countries and maybe learn.

Less than a century ago, Europeans were doing the same really towards the USA, Australia, etc and today offspring of these people are well integrated member of those countries.

You don't like it, I get it. Many people don't like it, fair enough. I can't say that I am ecstatic about it and there is definitively more we can do to manage the issue better, with EU-wide programs and relocation perhaps but I am realistic to the fact that the problem will not just go away because some folks in richer countries tell these people to shoo away.

The UK doesn't see much of it beside on the news but if as country you were on the front line you would do exactly the same.

Herzlos

Private_Church wrote: »

Flip side is there are plenty of people like me who will take any Brexit downturn on the chin and accept a reduction in my income/wages/lifestyle with the hope that my children and their children will have a better future. Our economy has needed rebalancing for decades and we have relied on the financial sector far too much and Brexit is the spur to do just that.

Maybe it's selfish, but I'd much rather have something a bit more concrete than hope before gambling with my childrens future. What if this downturn you're willing to endure lasts for more than generation? Will you be happy for your children to have a vastly reduced quality of life in the hopes that eventually they or they descendents will be able to claw their way back to where you were?

If there was any credible path to prosperity in Brexit I'd consider it, but I'd much rather my kids grew up with stability and the options open to me (exchange & knowledge sharing programs, a larger job market, free movement).

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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The unrest you mention in Sweden, Finland and Germany (who's in this unrest?) seems very small compared to the on-going unrest you can read about in the UK from folks the UK (allegedly legally) imported from ex-British colonies. Worry about this, it's in your country and you have control over it. Show the world what an integrated society you can build, then go and lecture. Till then, maybe look at other countries and maybe learn.
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You clearly don't have a clue about whats happening in the UK. You've been away too long.

I don't need to be told what to worry about from someone who doesn't even live in the UK, yet is SO worried about what happens here, thanks.

phillw

Private_Church wrote: »

Flip side is there are plenty of people like me who will take any Brexit downturn on the chin and accept a reduction in my income/wages/lifestyle with the hope that my children and their children will have a better future.

But you're making a huge assumption that the future will be better for them, when younger educated voters (who's opinion is likely closer to your own childrens) in general disagree with you.

Playing russian roulette with your childrens future would seem to be irresponsible at best, especially when most brexiters only know why they voted and not what they voted for. Out of the frying pan and into the fire & the grass is always greener, seem very apt.

The EU is the reason that the country has been doing so well. It is not brilliant for everyone, but then that has always been true & will continue to be true post brexit. If the pre-EU state of the country is anything to go by then it will be not brilliant for far more people, which will give people even less reason to try to better themselves.

In my opinion you've stolen your childrens future & are creating a huge mess for them to inherit. Eventually when the prejudices have worn off then they'll join the EU, or whatever it has morphed into. If the thought of future generations joining the EU again makes you angry, which in my experience it does to a lot of people who voted for brexit, then the reason for voting for brexit is probably not what you thought it was.

cogito

Interesting article here from politico.

http://www.politico.eu/article/united-kingdom-brexit-eu-david-davis-the-uks-secret-brexit-strategy-so-stealth-even-the-british-cant-see-it/

Maybe we do know what we're doing after all.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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If there was any credible path to prosperity in Brexit I'd consider it, but I'd much rather my kids grew up with stability and the options open to me (exchange & knowledge sharing programs, a larger job market, free movement).

Your kids are going to be competing with Chinese; Indian; Korean; possibly even South American kids for future work.

That's the "job market" now. In some sectors it has been like that for over 2 decades.