Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

A lesson in how to kill a thread (again):

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Well that was embarrassing.

What was?
Do enlighten us.

Do you mean yet another attempt at ping-pong from the usual suspect?
Read back through this thread and see who has the desire to have the final say - and not just with my posts either.

ilovehouses wrote: »

Actually Jock, it was just an off the cuff remark because you didn't realise lower inflation didn't mean falling prices.

If you'd got anything about you you would've gone straight to the ONS dataset and found that food isn't at record highs. Not far off and the highest it has been for two years. You could've had a little internet victory about my choice of adjective.

Your arguments are so weak I'm having to help you out.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Weak argument?
Being as polite as possible we won't even mention that had I said "but ..." then you would still counter, even if that too made no sense just like the above - because it looks like you absolutely must have the final say. Look at your history for evidence of that behaviour.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I came across this a while ago and thought it may be interesting to some, given the debate around UK media and it's biases:
"German media failed to report refugee crisis honestly, study finds"

An influential German institute has studied thousands of article published by daily newspapers during the refugee crisis. Their conclusion: journalists lost their objectivity and drove a wedge through society.

https://www.thelocal.de/20170721/german-media-failed-to-report-refugee-crisis-honestly-study-claims


It seems British media are not alone in pushing their own agendas.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Meanwhile in Denmark a Romanian woman is being deported for begging; Denmark are interpreting begging as posing "a serious threat to Denmark" in order to deport her:

A 63-year-old Romanian woman was on Tuesday sentenced to 20 days in jail followed by deportation for asking passersby for spare change in the Copenhagen district of Nørrebro.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20170801/denmark-to-deport-romanian-woman-for-begging

Besides the controversy, I wonder how realistically effective a deportation can be in a Schengen country?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Following France being told by it's courts that they must provide water & sanitation for migrants, two new shelters for Calais migrants have been proposed for Lille:

France announced Monday it would open two shelters for migrants sleeping rough around the port of Calais, relenting to pressure to improve the lot of hundreds of people hiding from police.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170801/france-announces-plans-for-two-new-migrant-shelters-in-lille

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Besides the controversy, I wonder how realistically effective a deportation can be in a Schengen country?

They would work in the same way as "Criminal Behaviour Orders" work in the UK (and many other countries really). Not sure why it's a surprise to you.

Here's an example:

Two men have been given a Criminal Behaviour Order (CBO) which has put restrictions on them entering parts or all of two Breckland towns.

How do you think it's enforced in the UK for these two gentlemen? Or do you think because of the Romanian beggar Schengen should be torn down and with the same rationale towns in England should also build walls around them?

Eric_the_half_a_bee

ilovehouses wrote: »

The point here is about where hazards are controlled in the food chain. The US system uses a chlorine system to kill faecal bacteria splashed on meat from the chicken's digestive system. The UK system controls that by ensuring the contamination doesn't happen in the first place.

Tell that to the families of the 100 people who die every year in the UK from Campylobacter poisoning.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

always_sunny wrote: »

They would work in the same way as "Criminal Behaviour Orders" work in the UK (and many other countries really). Not sure why it's a surprise to you.

Here's an example:


How do you think it's enforced in the UK for these two gentlemen? Or do you think because of the Romanian beggar Schengen should be torn down and with the same rationale towns in England should also build walls around them?

You did not answer the question.

Besides Schengen already being threatened this was not about "tearing down Schengen" although you may want to turn it to appear so; it was, to remind you, asking : "how realistically effective a deportation can be in a Schengen country? "

A CBO is not the same as a deportation, is it?
Added to which, a CBO offender may (just for example) be ordered to wear a GPS tracking device (tag) as an effective deterrent.

From my link in that OP:

Her deportation comes with a six-year reentry ban.

Given that the Schengen zone (in theory ) has no internal border controls how can such a ban be enforced unless she is again apprehended inside Denmark?
After all, given two prior convictions in 15 years she has not been dissuaded so far.

So (again) given that Schengen is a free-travel area is there any real point to deportation and bans?

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You did not answer the question.

You don't want to understand. Deportation within Schengen is as affective as it needs to be.

Arklight

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit: Majority of older Leave voters say significant economic damage is 'price worth paying'

:eek:

Wow. Just wow. I'm lost for words.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-leave-voters-uk-economy-damage-yougov-older-pensioners-losing-jobs-income-taxes-a7870871.html

This seems to have been rather brushed over by the older leave voters here. Unsurprisingly.

Brexit: Majority of older Leave voters say significant economic damage is 'price worth paying', finds YouGov
71 per cent of over-65s would accept a big economic hit – and half are willing for family members to lose their jobs.

Yes, well, with their triple locked state pensions and gold plated civil service final salary pensions, such as are enjoyed by Jock, other people losing their jobs so they they get to wave their Daily Mails and flap their little flags with pride in the golf club doesn't seem to matter. Even if those people are their own children. Apparently.

At some point, even though through the tragicomic slow motion idiocy of Brexit, it may begin to dawn on these people that their final salary pensions and triple locked state pensions, are somewhat dependent on young people being able to find jobs themselves with which to pay taxes.

Of course there are some younger leave voters too, though none as a majority under 50. Those who somehow managed to haul themselves off sofas piled high with empty sour cream Pringles tubes consumed watching Jeremy Kyle, to find their way to the local polling station they had never previously visited once, to vote on an issue they didn't understand to stop a tide of immigrants that was made up by the right wing press who they believed were coming to take jobs they don't want and won't apply for.

But apparently only a third of them are happy to see their friends and family lose their jobs.

Brexit. The British disease.

Conrad

Back in the real world;


UK economy is about to surge back to life, says leading forecaster
Economic thinktank NIESR predicts boom in exports and higher wages will lead to GDP growth of nearly 2% and interest rate rise


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/02/uk-economy-surge-life-leading-forecaster-jagjit-chadh