Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

vivatifosi wrote: »

I can only see this story on Reuters at the moment. It's about the UK and building a new mechanism to impose sanctions on countries and criminals:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-sanctions-idUSKBN1AH5FM

But .......... but ......... but ............ the remain protagonists keep telling us that we, the UK, have no plans!
Yet here we are, another piece of the post-Brexit jigsaw puzzle ready to slot into place along with the piece I posted yesterday about new funding for start-up's.

*Disclaimer*
Sorry to disappoint but no, this does not mean that I presume it will lead to a "land of milk and honey" or that Brexit will necessarily be trouble-free.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Herzlos wrote: »

Or if that's too much work:
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-and-supplying/food-safety/chlorinated-chicken-explained-why-do-the-americans-treat-their-poultry-with-chlorine/555618.article
http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-truth-about-humanely-raised-chicken-2014-12?r=US&IR=T

The chlorination part is regarded as protectionism, because the chlorination part is regarded as safe enough (it's rinsed and pretty dilute). The EU would rather contamination was avoided throughout the production chain and not just bleached off at the end. Which would you rather eat?

The first article you cite, from The Grocer, who should know what they are talking about, says there's no evidence that the US has higher rates of contamination

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

The first article you cite, from The Grocer, who should know what they are talking about, says there's no evidence that the US has higher rates of contamination

That's because there IS no evidence.

It is all distraction and obfuscation; have you not yet noticed the propensity amongst certain remain protagonists to deny accepted fact?
Anything it would appear to detract from the positive news which they cannot effectively counter:

* The preparations by the UK for Brexit as seen in posts.
* Current and continuing large-scale investment in the UK.
* Trade and exports growing and positivity from industry increasing.
* Rumours of negativity increasingly being proved incorrect.
* Increasing coverage of encouraging fact and opinion - even from previously vehemently pro-EU sources.

It's getting increasingly difficult to be pro-remain/pro-EU based upon what has happened so far, hence the volume of attempted but frequently misinformed rhetoric from the pro-remain/pro-EU segment of this forum. The continuation of an already-debunked chicken saga being just one example; it detracts from the posts they don't want you to see without scrolling through reams of posts you see?

Again I acknowledge that with good news logically there must also be some which is not so good; when was it never thus?
On balance though so far - despite attempts at preaching impending doom and gloom - Brexit really does appear to be potentially pretty encouraging.

kabayiri

The movie Dunkirk, currently out, provides a good analogy.

The enemy for both sides is 'time'.

When we all reach the 11th hour, I expect to see some dramatic changes in position on all sides.

Whenever have the EU or UK dealt with something in a timely manner? They are behind with the refugee crisis. They are always reacting to the Greek debt issues.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

More that the pro-EU pro-remain contingent may well object to; food inflation slows in July.

According to retail industry data, food inflation slowed in July to an annual rate of 1.2% after reaching levels not seen for three-and-a-half years in the previous month.
The BRC-Nielsen Shop Price Index showed the slowdown helped overall shop prices fall by 0.4% following the 0.3% reduction in June.

http://news.sky.com/story/food-price-increases-come-off-brexit-boil-as-pound-pressure-eases-10970063

A_Medium_Size_Jock

kabayiri wrote: »

The movie Dunkirk, currently out, provides a good analogy.

The enemy for both sides is 'time'.

When we all reach the 11th hour, I expect to see some dramatic changes in position on all sides.

Whenever have the EU or UK dealt with something in a timely manner? They are behind with the refugee crisis. They are always reacting to the Greek debt issues.

I agree with that up to a point.
Because so far the UK has generally kept the EU on the back foot as it were, and there is much to support my opinion of which here are just some:

Cameron calling the referendum after returning from his jaunt around the EU with no more than a proverbial "flea in the ear" - leading to vehement pro-EU rhetoric which continues to this day.

The UK delaying the putting forward of Article 50 until we were ready, much to the very obvious chagrin of EU politico's.

Notice of intention around citizens from before the referendum even, all discarded by the EU and with the added request now of a desire to allow outside law to take precedence over UK sovereignty this makes the EU look increasingly intimidating too.

The UK giving notice of withdrawal from EU fishing policies etc.

The EU who promised they would be "open" will not give a figure for the so-called "Brexit bill" - but want agreement it will be paid.


And so it goes on; the result however is that the EU have done not much more than bluster so far, although this is no more than was expected.
Oh and again I am not suggesting that the UK has been perfect so far either; far from it. But IMHO it is the EU who have largely been on that back foot.

Despite all the bluster you are probably correct in that it will be an 11th-hour agreement - if it even gets that far.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Food prices reach a new all time high in July. Great news!

Where does my link say that - or are you fabricating your own news now?
Evidence please for where my link says that?

From that link:

"July saw lower food price inflation than in June, bringing the march of overall shop prices towards inflationary territory to a halt

BTW a link to evidence showing historical food inflation see:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/food-inflation
Note that food inflation was higher in: the years immediately post-"crash" & up to around 2013; 2002; the late 80's /early 90's ..................

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

You provided it yourself...

Food price inflation slowing means food's getting more expensive but at a slower rate than last month

Ah so no evidence then?
Quelle surprise.

Using your argument the price of almost everything is the highest it has ever been ( yet ) and as such that does not make food unique, does it?

*Breaking News*
Everything is more expensive now than it was last year or in 1987 or in 1967.

Malthusian

All agreements are 11th hour, on anything between anyone. Nobody does anything until the deadline looms. You'd think none of the commentators on Brexit had ever attended a meeting before.

If we wanted a quick agreement on Brexit we would have given them two days after 29 March to work it all out and the polits would have been caged up with no food the day before the talks, like fighting dogs. And the fish & chips would only come out when the meeting was over. The resulting agreement would have been comprehensive, workable and fair on all sides, probably more so than the one they will come out with in reality.

However obviously that isn't going to happen because months of negotiations mean months of agreeable lunches and trebles all round. For the UK polits it's the last chance to enjoy an EU buffet.

System

Well that was embarrassing.