Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

vivatifosi

I can only see this story on Reuters at the moment. It's about the UK and building a new mechanism to impose sanctions on countries and criminals:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-sanctions-idUSKBN1AH5FM

Fella

Good article from the always excellent Daniel Hannan:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/opinion/brexit-european-union-good-news.html

CKhalvashi

Fella wrote: »

Good article from the always excellent Daniel Hannan:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/opinion/brexit-european-union-good-news.html

If a British person tells you that the vote was “all about immigration,” I can almost guarantee that you are talking to a Remainer. Those among my friends who voted to stay in the European Union didn’t weigh and then dismiss the economic and democratic cases against membership; they never heard them.

This man is an elected politician.....scary! Although, I suppose being on the supposed 'EU Gravy Train' while hating the EU is part of many Tory and UKIP politicians.

Back to the article; what a load of rubbish.

Apparently we have a decent economic case for leaving a domestic market of 430 million wealthy people.

Also, tell me how the EU is any more undemocratic than our own Lords. We don't need to find perfect democracy, we do need to find the best solution to work with the situation we have, which is nothing short of remaining in the EU.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why should the UK benefit from profit made in EU countries?

Will be swings and roundabouts. Ebay is now having to pay over VAT on UK generated revenues rather than channelling the money through Luxembourg.

I'm not referring to VAT. Most air travel is zero-rated for VAT which includes all flights operated by Easyjet.

Why should the UK not benefit from the profit of British companies?

always_sunny

Conrad wrote: »

Given your interest in quality & standards what are your thoughts on;

1) European produced salads washed in bleach / chlorine

2) French force feeding of geese

3) Various European nations confining veal calves to dark cramped crates

4) Far poorer live transport standards

As a thinking person you will need to explain your seeming blindness to European poor standards.

So because of 1-4 it's okay to add another one?
Maybe you can explain why folks in the UK as so keen for this chlorine washed chicken.

1. Will it be better than current (EU) chicken?
2. Will make chicken cheaper than today (cause it's expensive)?
3. Will make more chicken available (cause we don't have enough?)
4. Will this importing the extra chicken from the USA rather than the EU be an advantage for the UK?

The argument for this chlorine washed chicken is a bit of non-sense just to prove a point that doesn't really exist (a little bit like 'leaving the EU to control borders') but hey, if that is what floats people's boat... as long as it's labelled, maybe despite market growth for organic products, consumers will say, oh yeah, let's by this one because of the benefits.

After all it's not as if consumers don't trust meat that they buy in the UK.
In the '90's there was BSE, '13 horse meat bonanza, halal meat not labelled and sold as non-halal, adding chicken to the good list seem a great idea.

Fella

CKhalvashi wrote: »

This man is an elected politician.....scary! Although, I suppose being on the supposed 'EU Gravy Train' while hating the EU is part of many Tory and UKIP politicians.

You sound very bitter.

Daniel Hannan actively encouraged people to vote him out of a job (his words) during the Referendum campaign, so your post looks pretty foolish and is utterly incorrect.

CKhalvashi

Fella wrote: »

You sound very bitter.

Daniel Hannan actively encouraged people to vote him out of a job (his words) during the Referendum campaign, so your post looks pretty foolish and is utterly incorrect.

That was what he said.

Does he still claim a salary from the EU? Does he still claim expenses?

Do you not therefore see that he has betrayed the cause he claims to represent? What people do is very telling

vivatifosi

Interesting article in the Irish Times about the problems of planning for a hard Brexit for Irish companies:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/mission-impossible-how-do-irish-companies-prepare-for-brexit-1.3173788

Conrad

ilovehouses wrote: »

I doubt we'll ever be in a position to calculate the cost 'benefit' of duplicating so we'll have to disagree but I find it unlikely in the extreme that the costs of going alone will be cheaper than pooling.

My Mum lives in N Wales. The white elephant fund wasting by the EU is well documented. We will spend our daily £25 million club fee far more efficiently ourselves and of course all of that money will be retained. There will be no net loss of trade, and likely a net gain in global trade and reduced tariff benefits.

A no brainer.

Conrad

always_sunny wrote: »

So because of 1-4 it's okay to add another one?
Maybe you can explain why folks in the UK as so keen for this chlorine washed chicken.

1. Will it be better than current (EU) chicken?
2. Will make chicken cheaper than today (cause it's expensive)?
3. Will make more chicken available (cause we don't have enough?)
4. Will this importing the extra chicken from the USA rather than the EU be an advantage for the UK?

The argument for this chlorine washed chicken is a bit of non-sense just to prove a point that doesn't really exist (a little bit like 'leaving the EU to control borders') but hey, if that is what floats people's boat... as long as it's labelled, maybe despite market growth for organic products, consumers will say, oh yeah, let's by this one because of the benefits.

After all it's not as if consumers don't trust meat that they buy in the UK.
In the '90's there was BSE, '13 horse meat bonanza, halal meat not labelled and sold as non-halal, adding chicken to the good list seem a great idea.

The point is, if you study for example the US Aussie trade deal, it does not include all areas of trade, only those areas giving a fair balance of benefit to either side.

As ever Remainers are engaged in fantasy scare stories about chlorinated chicken being forced down our throats, a childish assertion, given the example that we dont consume badly treated veal in the UK in spite of it being produced in the EU

Remainers should stop being hysterical we are a capable nation, we arnt children.