Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

buglawton

setmefree2 wrote: »

The truth is the BBC really is biased about Brexit - so if you are someone, like me, who is just looking for facts about what is "actually" going on - you won't find them on the BBC (with the exception of Andrew Neil's progs)

Look at what happened last week with Liam Fox at the WTO in Geneva - it wasn't covered by the BBC - you wouldn't have even known he was there. It was however covered by Sky.

If you just get your news from the BBC you will be ill-informed. And you will only get the Remoaner view/spin.

Let's be honest, the BBC is full of private educated over paid white Liberal elites.

It was the BBC world service radio where I heard the story of the well known Italian crime syndicate extorting farming land, fencing it off and putting cattle on it to receive EU farming subsidy largesse. As good an example as any of why agricultural policy and subsidies should be managed close to home where local taxpayers/voters/parliament get a say!

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

But isn't the same story this side of the Channel? Who's seeking a possible transitional deal? The EU or the UK?

Safe to assume that a transitional deal is to the benefit of all parties. Hard Brexit would have dire implications for sectors of the Eire economy for example. Who are over the Irish Sea not the Channel.

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Safe to assume that a transitional deal is to the benefit of all parties.

Maybe from the British side, let's see what the EU see fit.
Assumption from the UK as usual is that these decisions are unilateral, a transitional deal for 2 years would need to be approved and ratified by 27 member states and it may just be a lot of work if only for such a short time.

What would be in for the EU?

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

The talk about a transitional deal has increased in volume since the start of negotiations. Indicative of reality biting - so much for not being a weak petitioner, they need us more than we need them etc.

Wait and see. Before you know it we'll be believing the intention was to get a transitional deal from the off. The two years being mooted is nothing more than testing the water.

We should be talking about trade right now. Davis and Barnier have demonstrated just how out of touch they are by agreeing to delay.

All the talk about a transitional deal seems to emanate from the UK. I haven't heard such talk from the EU. Perhaps someone could post some links.

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

The politics are clearly a problem for the UK as well. Take our Brexit minister - he's got one eye on being Tory leader - the political ramifications of the deal are as important to him as the financial. It's not as if they care about whether you or I are better off.

In turns of bending over and being shafted Davis did that on day one when he turned up not fully prepared and ceded control of the timings and agenda. Hopefully things will improve but, for now, the UK are playing catch-up.

Perhaps to be fair to Davis (wow) when he turned up on the first day he knew that all the talk and bluster beforehand had been for local British consumption. He knew the timing of the agenda before he walked into the room.
The British Government must have decided there were more political points in talking strong for weeks and days before the meeting and after the "apparent climedown" they hope they would still have more political points than before.
Davis is now positioning himself for a leadership run and knows if he is not PM at the end of the talks his chance is lost. Just like the British Government they are not getting on with the day job as there is too much going on within the Conservative Party.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

All the talk about a transitional deal seems to emanate from the UK. I haven't heard such talk from the EU. Perhaps someone could post some links.

No links at the moment and no talk.
Except
Politico mentioned someone close to the talks said something like "it's an interesting idea"
Frankly this unilateral talk on the British side seems all for domestic consumption. If true the British Government are spending a large amount of energy managing the British publics expectations.
Just look at the lates Brexit lie from (I believe) Fox and Mog that clothing, shoes and wine (no mention of spirits) will be cheaper after Brexit.

Tromking

Not a good week for the EU's 'great white hope'. Macron's approval rating slips 10 points in a week and he loses his head of the armed forces, his planned budget cuts not going down to well with the French people.

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Not a good week for the EU's 'great white hope'. Macron's approval rating slips 10 points in a week and he loses his head of the armed forces, his planned budget cuts not going down to well with the French people.

Not to mention four ministerial resignations already over corruption allegations.

fewgroats

David Davis is completely unqualified. We want a negotiator, a lawyer not a minister. If we don't trust our own laws, how is this going to happen?

always_sunny

Tromking wrote: »

Not a good week for the EU's 'great white hope'. Macron's approval rating slips 10 points in a week and he loses his head of the armed forces, his planned budget cuts not going down to well with the French people.

Oh yes, that's going to make the Euro dip and the EU panic and offer the UK a super dooper great deal! It's not as if the political arena is rosy here in the UK, is it?