Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

The Leave vote was based on a desire to look out to the rest of the big wide world with imagination? :rotfl:

Oh look, the forum's very own version of Wolfie Smith returns - and still accepting the democratic vote we see. Never mind, you carry on ignoring facts just like always.

Look at the last little box in the post above this.
Look at Theresa May herself saying "They voted to leave the European Union and embrace the world." in her Brexit speech.
Look at the number of posts in this thread telling you just that, as well as media.
But you won't will you?

"Power to the people"!
Which you accept, don't you?
:rotfl:

mayonnaise

always_sunny wrote: »

....and also Brexiteers are now expected to deliver

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

I know the likes of you and others keep posting these articles but in the real world so far, Brexit has caused the currency to fall (yay good for export), inflation to rise (yay it's still low compared to the 70's) and the country not really having a positive outlook.

Brexit was the trigger not the cause. The underlying structural problems are nothing new. People were too busy partying with their inflated property prices to notice. Financial services, the golden goose, has been shown to be a complete turkey. Now people are belatedly complaining.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

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Especially as the older you were the more likely you were to vote leave. Sounds counter-intuitive because the elderly don't strike me as being likely candidates for embracing the world.
...

What's with the ageism?

You wouldn't get away with calling people out on the basis of colour, so you shouldn't try it with age.

Alan Sugar is elderly, want to exclude him? How about Corbyn or May or Trump?

It's certainly true that if you are in middle aged or beyond, then you are likely to have more contacts elsewhere. I've had 20 years dealing with India, so why wouldn't I have contacts and interests there? Same with Canada.

One of the Indian guys who worked for me is now based out of Bermuda, so at some point I am more than likely to visit.

That's how it works, isn't it?

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

What's with the ageism?

You wouldn't get away with calling people out on the basis of colour, so you shouldn't try it with age.

I didn't see anything ageist in the post. It is widely regarded as fact that older generations voted to leave. It's also fair to assume that the vast majority of those past retirement age are not likely to start trading with the rest of the world.

Herzlos

I think it's fair to say that retirees are less likely to travel abroad for work/leisure than those in the work force, and are less likely to trade with foreigners.

kabayiri wrote: »

That's how it works, isn't it?

I'm not so sure. Once you get to the actual elderly, those already retired who were less likely to be doing jobs that involved international relations, I'd expect them to have less foreign contacts beyond a couple of friends/relatives that moved away, than younger people who joined a connected workforce.

You probably didn't work with an Indian/Bermuda office in the shipyards, or down t'mines. People of that generation are less likely to have the internet, or travel abroad (either when younger because it was more expensive and there wasn't free movement, or now due to age).

None of that really applies to people under retirement age, and particularly in under 40's group that voted predominantly to remain. They'd be more likely to know people abroad through work / internet, and more likely to have visited Europe.

There will be outliers from both sides though. I know young and old people who've never travelled outside the UK.

Arklight

Scotland and Wales to block Brexit Repeal. Another nail in the coffin of the Little Englanders' Brexit plans.

And how sweet the sound of the hammering is.

:-)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-great-repeal-bill-scotland-wales-carwyn-jones-nicola-sturgeon-theresa-may-legislative-consent-a7839706.html

Herzlos

Arklight wrote: »

Scotland and Wales to block Brexit Repeal. Another nail in the coffin of the Little Englanders' Brexit plans.

England is always welcome to leave without us :beer:

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

We're wasting our energy debating because ardent Remaoners just do not get Brexit, ignore the upside completely and won't give it up until the day finally comes when we've left and all is well.

It's just semi amusing reading thier funny arguments born out of pessimism and confidence issues

The scale of Remoaner manipulation is off the chart, this morning Clegg said where's the £350 m for the NHS when we haven't even left. Like arguing with a red neck about evolution.

It does not matter what predictive topic you choose. There will always be optimists and pessimists. In my experience there are some who voted remain who are still optimistic about the future as there are some leavers who are now pessimistic in the face of some of the emerging issues. As much as I want Brexit to succeed, I cannot ignore the fact that I am concerned it might not.

You have been consistently optimistic with an almost evangelical belief that it is for the best, but why expect everyone to think that way.

BobQ

Malthusian wrote: »

As 50% of Remain voters have by now moved to Ireland or France (assuming all those people in my Facebook feed weren't lying, and I have no reason to doubt their sincerity), Leave will win by a landslide.

Where for the next 15 years they can vote for Remain policies