Can I give it away?

AndyPix

This is a common scam.


Crim buys stolen card details on the dark web and uses them to do an online purchase of a big ticket item
Obviously if they get it posted to their own house then they get immediately busted so they do what they have done here and post it to a "mark" and then trick it out of them ..


Poor response from the company imho ..




Dear company.
I write to once again inform you that a television has been delivered to my property that i did not order and do not want.
You have confirmed to me that this is a fraudulent transaction but have repeatedly failed to collect the item, despite my best and continued efforts to aid you to do so.


I hereby give you notice that i am no longer willing for you to use my place of residence as a storage area for your goods and if the package is not collected by XX then I take this as your acceptance to pay me the sum of £100 per day for storage facilities rendered until you do so..


etc

wealdroam

AndyPix wrote: »

This is a common scam.


Crim buys stolen card details on the dark web and uses them to do an online purchase of a big ticket item
Obviously if they get it posted to their own house then they get immediately busted so they do what they have done here and post it to a "mark" and then trick it out of them ..


Poor response from the company imho ..




Dear company.
I write to once again inform you that a television has been delivered to my property that i did not order and do not want.
You have confirmed to me that this is a fraudulent transaction but have repeatedly failed to collect the item, despite my best and continued efforts to aid you to do so.


I hereby give you notice that i am no longer willing for you to use my place of residence as a storage area for your goods and if the package is not collected by XX then I take this as your acceptance to pay me the sum of £100 per day for storage facilities rendered until you do so..


etc

You're joking right?

You seem to be suggesting that the OP offers a contract to store the goods at £100 a day.

If the seller ignores that offer, and the seller has no obligation to respond, their silence certainly does not indicate that they have agreed to it.

AndyPix

So when i park in a carpark, and a little sign is displayed that says "by parking here you agree to blah blah blah" - that supposedly forms a contract doesnt it ??


My silence in that case indicates that I agree - How is this different ?


By leaving their goods in your storage area, they are agreeing to pay the fee.
You are giving them the oppertunity to remove them afterall!!


Of course i dont expect that this would actually happen - but a letter like that might make somebody actually do something.

wealdroam wrote: »

their silence certainly does not indicate that they have agreed to it.

Surely their failure to remove their goods from your property indicates that they agree to it ?

Ziggy_Stardust

All I want is it gone. The scammer has my name address and phone number so I am screening my calls, I am not answwering my front door all in case it is him wanting to take the tv. He has the cosignment number of the delivery so knows it has not been collected, what if he was to come back? I have made Ebuyers (yes I'm naming them now) aware of the anxiety this is giving me but they really couldn't care less. I am normally a very strong person but this has left me feeling very vulnerable and I also feel for the poor card holder, this must be distressing for them too. As for Ebuyers being an innocent party in this too the scammer does not have their personal details and is not stood on their home doorstep looking for stolen goods. I was told by the woman at ebuyers NOT to give the goods over on the doorstep to anyone unless she'd cleared it, so am I to stand there and argue with him that he is not to have it with it stood feet behind me? It jsut seems to me that ebuyers have overlooked the 'human' element of this.

wealdroam

Ziggy_Stardust wrote: »

All I want is it gone. The scammer has my name address and phone number so I am screening my calls, I am not answwering my front door all in case it is him wanting to take the tv. He has the cosignment number of the delivery so knows it has not been collected, what if he was to come back? I have made Ebuyers (yes I'm naming them now) aware of the anxiety this is giving me but they really couldn't care less. I am normally a very strong person but this has left me feeling very vulnerable and I also feel for the poor card holder, this must be distressing for them too. As for Ebuyers being an innocent party in this too the scammer does not have their personal details and is not stood on their home doorstep looking for stolen goods. I was told by the woman at ebuyers NOT to give the goods over on the doorstep to anyone unless she'd cleared it, so am I to stand there and argue with him that he is not to have it with it stood feet behind me? It jsut seems to me that ebuyers have overlooked the 'human' element of this.

You feel sorry for the cardholder??

The way this scam usually works is that the goods get delivered to the cardholder's address.

This means that 'the poor cardholder' is either you or someone else living at your address.

Heed the advice given in post#14 and review all your credit and debit cards.

Ziggy_Stardust

wealdroam wrote: »

You feel sorry for the cardholder??

The way this scam usually works is that the goods get delivered to the cardholder's address.

This means that 'the poor cardholder' is either you or someone else living at your address.

Heed the advice given in post#14 and review all your credit and debit cards.

We've done all this plus experian checks, we are careful with our details, as for them getting our name and address it is on the electoral roll or more likey they could have been gleaned from a hack into a company's database, we were with Yahoo when they had all the trouble a few years back. I imagine that the goods were ordered and marked as a 'gift' so the delivery address was different to the card holder's address.

Ebuyers have the card holders details and will have been in touch with the bank to know it is no-one at my address, are you implying that I am dishonest?

AndyMc.....

AndyPix wrote: »

So when i park in a carpark, and a little sign is displayed that says "by parking here you agree to blah blah blah" - that supposedly forms a contract doesnt it ??


My silence in that case indicates that I agree - How is this different ?


By leaving their goods in your storage area, they are agreeing to pay the fee.
You are giving them the oppertunity to remove them afterall!!


Of course i dont expect that this would actually happen - but a letter like that might make somebody actually do something.





Surely their failure to remove their goods from your property indicates that they agree to it ?

Maybe because you have conciously driven onto a car park that requires payment for a service and left your car there using the said service?

wealdroam

Ziggy_Stardust wrote: »

... are you implying that I am dishonest?

No, certainly not.

I was suggesting that you may be more of a victim than you realise.

But if I'm wrong on that score then so be it.

Ziggy_Stardust

wealdroam wrote: »

No, certainly not.

I was suggesting that you may be more of a victim than you realise.

But if I'm wrong on that score then so be it.

Thank you, sorry for misunderstanding you.

AndyPix

AndyMc..... wrote: »

Maybe because you have conciously driven onto a car park that requires payment for a service and left your car there using the said service?

And after informing the company that you are going to start charging them for rental of your living room space - they are conciously deciding to leave it there rather than remove it - hence using your said service at said cost ..


Im not trying to be obtuse here I am genuinly interested as to how this would not work :huh: