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Well, it must have been a wide road then. In which case, the OP should have checked for traffic to his right before he carried on across the road. If he did not do this then he was in the wrong.
He should have checked however wide the road was.
My reading of the whole thing is that as soon as the first car stopped the OP took it that he could proceed and everyone else was obliged to pull up behind that first car.
Obviously the car that he/she hit didn't.0 -
No, a yellow box would not have prevented the accident, which suggests that yellow boxes should not be put in such areas. But as they are (a new one was painted by me recently), it suggests the the OP was not in the wrong in doing what he did.
The yellow box is irrelevant (a yellow red herring?).
The OP said "."I was edged out halfway in the road looking left waiting for a gap when there was one I went to go next thing I know a Ford Mondeo collided with my front bumper ..."
He failed to give way to traffic on the main road (an offence), and by his own description he wasn't even looking for it.0 -
The yellow box is irrelevant (a yellow red herring?).
The OP said "."I was edged out halfway in the road looking left waiting for a gap when there was one I went to go next thing I know a Ford Mondeo collided with my front bumper ..."
He failed to give way to traffic on the main road (an offence), and by his own description he wasn't even looking for it.
Well, if this is what happened then the OP was clearly in the wrong.
However, someone above said that the person who stopped for him was in the wrong. That is the point I was trying to make about the yellow boxes.0 -
Well, if this is what happened then the OP was clearly in the wrong.
However, someone above said that the person who stopped for him was in the wrong. That is the point I was trying to make about the yellow boxes.
Susie
The HC says about yellow boxes "you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right"
It's clear that this does not apply when emerging at a T-junction, as in the OP's case.
The person who stopped may have done so because of queueing traffic, or simply to be 'helpful'. It makes no difference.0 -
Susie
The HC says about yellow boxes "you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right"
It's clear that this does not apply when emerging at a T-junction, as in the OP's case.
The person who stopped may have done so because of queueing traffic, or simply to be 'helpful'. It makes no difference.
Yes, I understand that about it not applying at a T-junction. I was not saying that it does.
I was saying that the person who stopped for the OP was not in the wrong because if there had been a yellow box at the T-junction, then it would have been the correct for the person to stop for the OP.0 -
Yes, I understand that about it not applying at a T-junction. I was not saying that it does.
I was saying that the person who stopped for the OP was not in the wrong because if there had been a yellow box at the T-junction, then it would have been the correct for the person to stop for the OP.
Well, it appears you didn't understand when you wrote:
"But what if the person who let him out had stopped because there was a yellow box? The OP would have been within his rights to enter the box and wait until it was clear to turn right."
Anyway, there is no suggestion (apart from your posts) that there was a yellow box,!0 -
Well, it appears you didn't understand when you wrote:
"But what if the person who let him out had stopped because there was a yellow box? The OP would have been within his rights to enter the box and wait until it was clear to turn right."
Anyway, there is no suggestion (apart from your posts) that there was a yellow box,!
Yes, I wrote that, but I was not referring to the part of the HC which says about waiting for on-coming traffic to stop at a box junction to turn right..
I was saying that if there had been (I know there wasn't actually in this case) a yellow box, then the OP would be right to to enter it and wait until it is clear from his left. I agree that it doesn't say in the HC that you can do that at T-junctions but it also doesn't say that you can't either. All it says the the car already on the road mustn't enter it if it is not clear ahead. It does not say what the vehicle on the side road can and can't do in a yellow box at a T-junction.
If it is a busy road, you would be there all day waiting for both sides to be clear at exactly the same time, hence the need for yellow boxes at T junctions.
What the OP did wrong was not to check that there was another car overtaking the car that had stopped for him and coming towards him.
If he had done this and was stationary at the far edge of the box waiting to turn right and the car had hit him then I cannot see how the OP would have been in the wrong.0 -
Yes, I wrote that, but I was not referring to the part of the HC which says about waiting for on-coming traffic to stop at a box junction to turn right..
I was saying that if there had been (I know there wasn't actually in this case) a yellow box, then the OP would be right to to enter it and wait until it is clear from his left. I agree that it doesn't say in the HC that you can do that at T-junctions but it also doesn't say that you can't either. All it says the the car already on the road mustn't enter it if it is not clear ahead. It does not say what the vehicle on the side road can and can't do in a yellow box at a T-junction.
If it is a busy road, you would be there all day waiting for both sides to be clear at exactly the same time, hence the need for yellow boxes at T junctions.
What the OP did wrong was not to check that there was another car overtaking the car that had stopped for him and coming towards him.
If he had done this and was stationary at the far edge of the box waiting to turn right and the car had hit him then I cannot see how the OP would have been in the wrong.
He would have been in the wrong (criminal law) because the only legal reasons for stopping in a box are those mentioned already, and they don't apply at a T-junction!
Sticking with the criminal law, there is also the offence of disobeying the give-way lines.
These offences don't necessarily settle the question of blame in the civil system, but they certainly don't help him.0 -
If it is a busy road, you would be there all day waiting for both sides to be clear at exactly the same time, hence the need for yellow boxes at T junctions.
Yes - you would be there all day. And the solution would be traffic lights - not a yellow box, as a yellow box would NOT help as they are not for that situation.0 -
Yes - you would be there all day. And the solution would be traffic lights - not a yellow box, as a yellow box would NOT help as they are not for that situation.
But you can't have traffic lights at every T-junction - it would cost a fortune.
So what is a yellow box for then? Are you saying that if you are on a side road you can't enter the yellow box to turn right until the traffic both ways is clear?0
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