eBay vehicle scams- jack buster

d0nnyoz

mrcol1000 wrote: »

So let me get this correct. Banks should freeze accounts based on the say so of people who are not part of any police/government agency? People who have no training or access to information other than what they can get out of someone who is selling a car? People whose qualification to investigate fraud is they can use Facebook?

You make it sound so simple but in reality, if you just put an ounce of time into researching these methods, you would know that is NOT how it operates. Banks have a code of conduct and they have rules and conditions for stopping fraud. If you or anyone else has some evidence that fraud is taking place, the banks should act. Even if it is just to freeze things whilst they look into it, but they don't and that is why they are paying out because they are failing in that duty. If you think what you have written is cool, such as "they can use Facebook", that is so insulting! Facebook is simply the medium to exploit the fraudsters. Its not an investigative tool!

Answer me this: Why are the banks paying these victims their money back??

And is it only the police or the government that can get an account closed?? Really? And you profess to give people advice?? Please!

d0nnyoz

forgotmyname wrote: »

Put yourself in their position. Someone posts adverts with cars for sale with your company name., but not your real contact number etc. Then someone posts up details that your a scammer???

This is just so wrong. Jack Buster NEVER tarnishes the name of any individual of company, he simply exposes the scams being committed on their accounts.
He even bids on some items to gain access to the individuals details and if there is a phone number, he will personally call them and tell them what is going on. All of these users are shocked by what has happened and they would be none the wiser if someone hadn't have told them.
I have seen several reputable car dealers who's listings have been compromised. I even have a friend who sells cars (well, he used to but has now retired) and his listings were also compromised.

99% of the time (I would say - I don't know the figures) these people are glad of the intervention.

forgotmyname

How many accounts have you got Jack? Stick to one.

Have you looked at your blog? Car sales company name and the word SCAM next to it. No mention some scammer was using the company name with different contact details.

Imagine a scammer using your name and and Jack posts up your details saying your a scammer. Thats in effect what he has done.

d0nnyoz

forgotmyname wrote: »

How many accounts have you got Jack? Stick to one.

He only had one and you closed it. Providing no reason for doing so either.

forgotmyname wrote: »

Have you looked at [STRIKE]your[/STRIKE] blog? Car sales company name and the word SCAM next to it. No mention some scammer was using the company name with different contact details.

Do you actually read these items on his blog?? I very much doubt it.
The first entry states "This clone website of a real company with a similar name is being used in numerous vehicle scams posted on eBay, Facebook, Gumtree and elsewhere".
Do you actually understand that statement? It clearly states exactly what it is.

I really don't understand what your problem is.
You haven't answered any of my queries in my previous post.
And there's a guy out there clearly highlighting large scale scams and fraud, where real people are being defrauded out of their hard earned cash, and you come up with stuff like this.

If your so clever and righteous about educating these people, why are you not actively trying to help them? Why are you in your ivory tower thinking the actions of this person are somewhat wrong?? Its just crazy that you have this biased attitude to the work of this person trying to right the wrongs that you purport to solve with some education on not being scammed, yet do nothing about it yourself? It's just crazy.

You clearly have a dislike to this guy and a preconceived idea of what he does. I would even suggest you are envious of his success. Because they haven't been on here asking for advice.
You could ask the many people that Jack has helped about how they feel about his service? Do you want to do that? I could easily get you a couple of names of people (just by looking on FB, as you clearly think I am Buster Jack!) and you can get a real view of how happy these people are.

So why such a negative view?

forgotmyname

I closed it? How did I close it? I dont work for MSE.

Did i read the blog. Yes and i have taken a copy of it thanks.

It clearly says "COMPANY NAME SCAM" insinuating that company are scammers.

Nowhere does it clarify that scammers are claiming to be this company and to be careful on who you contact.

Envious of his success? What success? Do you want me to brag about accounts i have got closed? Cannot NDA...

I have contacts at Google, Autotrader Ebay, Paypal. etc etc

Yeah im envious that he needs to use a blog and not use his own domain etc. Reminds me of my AOL days where you got free webspace.

Oh its on facebook so it must be true eh??

Wrong way of doing things. Thats why.

Huskydays

The practice is reckless. There are legitimate licence plates and names listed on the blog as being scams, with very little context. Many of the blog posts don't even have more than one sentence and absolutely no cited sources. Yes, a particular sales listing may be a scam but to then tag a legitimate, real company name/person's name/number plate into the post without the context can seriously affect those innocent people.

Example:
What if I want to sell my genuine VW Golf with (specific number plate) and it pops up on a google listing stating the following:

(Company Name) SCAM
URL
Have YOU been scammed on a non-existent vehicle? CONTACT BUSTER JACK. *. Other registration numbers. (specific number plate)

I am going to lose prospective buyers immediately.

It's also been stated on here that Jack lists "scams" before eBay have had a chance to investigate, meaning he has no confirmation prior to posting. How does he achieve 100% accuracy? He doesn't. It's alright talking about the people who have been scammed - it sucks, it really does. But what about the poor people who get their reputations and livelihoods destroyed by mis-reported information? Just as bad and sometimes worse. This is a libel/loss of earnings claim waiting to happen, I can 100% see why MSE won't touch it with a barge pole.


(note: I'm not going to name the actual company name or number plate as it's part of the problem but go ahead and google some of those tags, the same thing will come up)

hollydays

I just don't understand why the person concerned didn't just start a thread. I don't understand , it's almost as though they don't feel that that gives them enough status or have I got that wrong?

If he wants to help people he could have simply started a warning thread himself .

forgotmyname

Huskydays, same reason i didnt mention the company name AND he should have done his homework and contacted them.

d0nnyoz

forgotmyname wrote: »

Did i read the blog. Yes and i have taken a copy of it thanks.

Taken a copy of it?? Weird!
Are you thinking that somehow someone will just delete it, like they do on here?:D

forgotmyname wrote: »

It clearly says "COMPANY NAME SCAM" insinuating that company are scammers.

But you're taking the top line out of context. Read the rest of the post. It clearly states what it is.

forgotmyname wrote: »

Yeah im envious that he needs to use a blog and not use his own domain etc. Reminds me of my AOL days where you got free webspace.

Foolish to think that you can only have credibility if you decide to have your own domain to do these things.

forgotmyname wrote: »

Oh its on facebook so it must be true eh??

Oh!? If its on MSE it must be true then?? :rotfl:

d0nnyoz

Huskydays wrote: »

The practice is reckless. There are legitimate licence plates and names listed on the blog as being scams, with very little context. Many of the blog posts don't even have more than one sentence and absolutely no cited sources. Yes, a particular sales listing may be a scam but to then tag a legitimate, real company name/person's name/number plate into the post without the context can seriously affect those innocent people.

Yes, the license plates are legitimate. How do you think the scammers put any legitimacy into their practices?? What, do you think they would put fake cars up for sale? I think someone else needs some education because I sure wouldn't want any advice from here about car sale scams if that's the only evidence you have!

Huskydays wrote: »

It's also been stated on here that Jack lists "scams" before eBay have had a chance to investigate, meaning he has no confirmation prior to posting. How does he achieve 100% accuracy? He doesn't. It's alright talking about the people who have been scammed - it sucks, it really does. But what about the poor people who get their reputations and livelihoods destroyed by mis-reported information? Just as bad and sometimes worse. This is a libel/loss of earnings claim waiting to happen, I can 100% see why MSE won't touch it with a barge pole.

But you don't know what his accuracy rate is. You cannot back up any of your statements so you are as guilty of the same practice you accuse him of. Regardless, lets say his accuracy is 95%. (I have no idea what it is, but he keeps very detailed records and would know this figure). Lets say there are on average 5 scams a day on eBay each with an average value of say £4k. Over a month that's £56k a month. 95% of that is just over £53k.
And you think its far better to attack that level of fraud, and the amount of people who might have parted with that level of money, because you don't like his practices.
You guys are strange!