Some PIP good news

Muttleythefrog

easy wrote: »

Thanks very much for quoting that statistic


So many people come on here frightened about their PIP applications - often I think stirred up by a few doom-mongers who suggest that everybody is more than likely to be turned down.
For most there is absolutely no need to get worked up about the process at all.

I'd take government statistical claims on these things with pinch of salt. 75% in any case sounds quite alarming... bearing in mind we're talking about already established disabled claimants trying to move to another benefit... the criteria is quite different admittedly... but essentially looking at similar disablement areas and chopping out a low rate of care.

However it is true many will get PIP and seemingly go through the process without problem... some with good support. I suspect those with mental health problems struggle more with the process of claim than those with physical illness due to evidence difficulties and issues caused by mental illness itself. I do caution though for claimants not to be complacent.. to follow advice widely available... bear in mind the common problems particularly reported regarding face to face assessments as many can be worked around or prepared for... for example... many will feel rushed as the HCP tries to efficiently get through each section or activity but some preparations can ensure sound input is given in that kind of situation and a gentle reminder to the claimant that it is their medical not the HCP's may even assist. Also advise people get the evidence in their case... the face to face medical assessment report especially.. since often claimants are happy with outcome but find the underlying evidence still well wide of reality. I for example am deeply angry at how I was processed and the failures of the report... along with the absolute bankruptcy of DMs to properly consider evidence and my points. In the end I got a better award than for DLA but I am entirely unsatisfied with what occurred and would have appealed had I not been married.

Congratulations op... like I say.. yes get that report... and hopefully it will be some time before reassessment. These assessments are hit and miss I think is the real problem... the examples are numerous... the main problem is the assessments can be very rapid, breach protocol, are superficial with assumptions and have wild extrapolations... while the DMs over rely on such resulting reports to the detriment of proper evidence consideration and hide behind them as 'the best evidence available'. Recently in my life offline I've been assisting ancquiantance who has had very contrasting experiences with ESA and PIP.... got a sane award quite routinely with PIP but is fighting for plain sense in a new ESA claim after the collapse of previous... this is a man with physical life long difficulties... his PIP award reflects this... his ESA documents suggest he's made a remarkable recovery on the other hand.

In the end though I think it is worth saying that even if things do go wrong there is often a way back... wars are rarely decided in a single battle. There's good advice out there... intelligent fellow claimants or advisors who can bring to the table a sophistication in claim strategy and material sufficient to ultimately outwit system failures and malpractice over time. Then there's rockingbilly... around to amuse us all while trying to sabotage his own claims if not those of others.

antrobus

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

I'd take government statistical claims on these things with pinch of salt. 75% in any case sounds quite alarming... bearing in mind we're talking about already established disabled claimants trying to move to another benefit...

If you paid more attention to government statistics you'd have found out that;

By the end of January 2017, 2,286,700 claims to PIP had been cleared. Of these, 82,600 (4%) were under special rules for the terminally ill, and 754,600 (33 %) were reassessed DLA claims.

So no, we are not talking about "already established disabled claimants" in respect of two-thirds of PIP cases.

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

.. Then there's rockingbilly... around to amuse us all while trying to sabotage his own claims if not those of others.

Yes, well, I'm not even convinced that rockingbilly has ever made a claim.

NeilCr

rockingbilly wrote: »

The evidence is supported by the posts that people make on other forums when they find that the report has been amended by the audit department post F2F assessment. Just Google it.

Which is different to what you originally alleged (that the auditor instructs the HCP to amend the report). Thanks for proving, yet again, your muddled view of the world

rockingbilly

antrobus wrote: »

If you paid more attention to government statistics you'd have found out that;

By the end of January 2017, 2,286,700 claims to PIP had been cleared. Of these, 82,600 (4%) were under special rules for the terminally ill, and 754,600 (33 %) were reassessed DLA claims.

So no, we are not talking about "already established disabled claimants" in respect of two-thirds of PIP cases.

The 75% statistic refers only to those that were transferred from DLA to PIP.
Using the figures you quote, the 754,600 claims cleared were for those being transferred.
75% of them would have been successful (565,950). The remainder (188,650) would have failed to get any award. If all of these were to appeal, statistics show that 60% of the failures would succeed at a Tribunal (113,190). This leaves some 75,460 claims that never received any award after a Tribunal hearing.
This represents just 10% of all DLA conversions that fail to get any award.

Compare that to those who succeed for a first time claim and you will see that nearly twice as many succeed .

Yes, well, I'm not even convinced that rockingbilly has ever made a claim.

No? well you are completely wrong.
A PIP2 was completed and at the initial review stage the contents did not support any PIP award despite the historical DLA position and evidence submitted as well as the GP factual reports (DLA & ESA), a psychiatric ACE111 assessment carried out by my CPN, plus other further psychiatric evaluations that took place over 3 days in 2013. In addition to this they had a copy of my extensive monthly repeat prescription which shows that powerful drugs at a high level are prescribed both for pain relief and psychiatric purposes. This ignores the rest such as insulin (type 1) + others including Creon to enable me to digest food.

fox_warrior

I've just been watching Victoria Live. It's subject is DLA & PIPs. I recommend watching it. You should be able to get it on catch up.

Muttleythefrog

antrobus wrote: »

If you paid more attention to government statistics you'd have found out that;

By the end of January 2017, 2,286,700 claims to PIP had been cleared. Of these, 82,600 (4%) were under special rules for the terminally ill, and 754,600 (33 %) were reassessed DLA claims.

So no, we are not talking about "already established disabled claimants" in respect of two-thirds of PIP cases.

lol... I do take notice.... but I couldn't find the rockingbilly claim which related to those DLA claimants transferring and getting suitable award (his claim in this regard I note has changed above which implies it is technically derelict). I took it with a pinch of salt...not least because data won't exist regarding the his initial claim.. and given the claim came via the two most unreliable sources in relation to benefits information... the government and him...lol.. I wasn't about to try to dissect it.

rockingbilly

fox_warrior wrote: »

I've just been watching Victoria Live. It's subject is DLA & PIPs. I recommend watching it. You should be able to get it on catch up.

All the discussions, criticisms and complaints will not change what has already been set I'm motion. Savings have to be made.
Politicians can huff and puff as much as they want especially in the run up to an election.

You can either work with the system and have a relatively stress free DLA/PIP conversion or like me not work with the system and create a difficult and stressful situation.

rockingbilly

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

lol... I do take notice.... but I couldn't find the rockingbilly claim which related to those DLA claimants transferring and getting suitable award (his claim in this regard I note has changed above which implies it is technically derelict). I took it with a pinch of salt...not least because data won't exist regarding the claim.. and given the claim came via the two most unreliable sources in relation to benefits information... the government and him...lol.. I wasn't about to try to dissect it.

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2972-latest-pip-statistics-show-hundreds-of-thousands-still-waiting

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/577399/pip-statistics-to-october-2016.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/598755/pip-statistics-to-january-2017.pdf

Muttleythefrog

rockingbilly wrote: »

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2972-latest-pip-statistics-show-hundreds-of-thousands-still-waiting

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/577399/pip-statistics-to-october-2016.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/598755/pip-statistics-to-january-2017.pdf

"77% of DLA to PIP reassessment claimants who have had a decision received an award of PIP" - cannot find the data specifically that creates this headline... but this is not what you claimed... which was in relation to decent/correct award. Many of those getting such an award may not be getting the correct one or a one they are satisfied with... you can use me as an example... I'm getting neither but I am getting a good award.

rockingbilly

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

"77% of DLA to PIP reassessment claimants who have had a decision received an award of PIP" - cannot find the data specifically that creates this headline... but this is not what you claimed... which was in relation to decent/correct award. Many of those getting such an award may not be getting the correct one or a one they are satisfied with... you can use me as an example... I'm getting neither but I am getting a good award.

There is no need to be picky. You know exactly what I mean.
I am looking at two scenarios those who get an award and those that don't.
Current figures, as you point out show that 77% get an award 23% get nothing in the DLA to PIP conversion.
IF the 23 % who had no award at all go on to make an appeal, approx. 60% will win their claim.
So in effect a total of 90.8% of those transferring will get a PIP award. Whether they are happy with the level of the award is another thing.

You mentioned that you are receiving neither the correct level and/or are satisfied with the award yet you are receiving a 'good award'. So you fall in the 90.8% bracket.
I, on the other hand get nothing and so I am in the 9.2% bracket.

Put it another way I am in the top 10% of all transferees - aren't I the lucky one?