Roundabout advice

warehouse

kmb500 wrote: »

I don't understand how this happened, if you had looked where you are going before you moved into the left lane after the first exit then surely you would have seen the lorry was still there?
It is certainly not against the highway code to be in the left lane and take the second exit..

What are you smoking?

Retrogamer

unholyangel wrote: »

I don't think that argument can be used in this case though. The highway code clearly states that when taking the first exit, you should be in the left hand lane unless markings/signs indicate otherwise. Not really any room for interpretation in that.

If its a dual carriageway, you can often use the right hand lane as well on a roundabout like the OP was on.

Mercdriver

Retrogamer wrote: »

If its a dual carriageway, you can often use the right hand lane as well on a roundabout like the OP was on.

It's a practise frowned upon by examiners, however for the reasons that this incident shows. I was taught not to enter the carriageway in the second lane as it was inadvisable as it gives you too much to do and can lead to misunderstandings as to your intent.

OP did you indicate your intentions as you passed the previous junctions - otherwise the LGV might have assumed you were turning right. It's not enough to not indicate right. I can't help feeling that you will be found partly at fault for not checking mirrors and blind spot enough. Even on traffic controlled roundabouts I look all around (even when lights to my right are at red) as you never know what some idiot's going to do in attempt to make his way into the Darwin Award nominations.

kmb500

warehouse wrote: »

What are you smoking?

OP said that he was in the right lane, lorry in the left lane. OP going second exit, expected the lorry to go first exit as he was on the left. Lorry is going round to second exit as well and OP moves over to left lane as he thinks the truck went off the first exit.

DoaM

Mercdriver wrote: »

OP did you indicate your intentions as you passed the previous junctions

kmb500 wrote: »

OP said that he was in the right lane, lorry in the left lane. OP going second exit, expected the lorry to go first exit as he was on the left. Lorry is going round to second exit as well and OP moves over to left lane as he thinks the truck went off the first exit.

Did either of you look at the image provided earlier in this thread? OP did take the first exit ... it just so happens that the first exit was also straight on (12 o'clock from point of entry) - the junction was essentially a big roundabout dropped onto a dual carriageway road. Hence why OP was in the RH lane, to overtake the HGV.

The problem occurred because OP thought the HGV (which was in the left lane) was also going to take the first exit ... instead the HGV continued round to take the 2nd exit (at about 3 o'clock from point of entry) whilst remaining in the left lane.

The image does not suggest that this is a small roundabout that would give turning circle issues for an HGV, so the HGV should have logically been in the RH lane when entering the roundabout. But driving and logic are rarely bedfellows.

Mercdriver

DoaM wrote: »

Did either of you look at the image provided earlier in this thread? OP did take the first exit ... it just so happens that the first exit was also straight on (12 o'clock from point of entry) - the junction was essentially a big roundabout dropped onto a dual carriageway road. Hence why OP was in the RH lane, to overtake the HGV.

The problem occurred because OP thought the HGV (which was in the left lane) was also going to take the first exit ... instead the HGV continued round to take the 2nd exit (at about 3 o'clock from point of entry) whilst remaining in the left lane.

The image does not suggest that this is a small roundabout that would give turning circle issues for an HGV, so the HGV should have logically been in the RH lane when entering the roundabout. But driving and logic are rarely bedfellows.

Then in the OP's position I wouldn't have been in that right hand lane at all, but if I'd made the misjudgement of being there, I would have been indicating left as soon as I pull out on to the roundabout.

I can't help feeling that this incident was avoidable had the OP used better observation - a conclusion that might mean shared responsibility is assessed as the answer.

Patrick050289

Morning all,

UPDATE:

Just had a phone call from AVIVA to advise that the other party accepted full liability for the accident.
Thank you all for the input, but turns out some of the highly opionated "experts" on here were not so right after all.


Many Thanks
Patrick

victor2

Patrick050289 wrote: »

Morning all,

UPDATE:

Just had a phone call from AVIVA to advise that the other party accepted full liability for the accident.
Thank you all for the input, but turns out some of the highly opionated "experts" on here were not so right after all.


Many Thanks
Patrick

Good result. Always helpful to hear the outcome of these things.

unholyangel

Patrick050289 wrote: »

Morning all,

UPDATE:

Just had a phone call from AVIVA to advise that the other party accepted full liability for the accident.
Thank you all for the input, but turns out some of the highly opionated "experts" on here were not so right after all.


Many Thanks
Patrick

Thanks for letting us know how it turned out.

However unless I'm mistaken, your question wasn't "will the HGV driver accept liability?".

Patrick050289

However unless I'm mistaken, your question wasn't "will the HGV driver accept liability?".

And off we go again...

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The problem is how people interpret it.
My instructor said check the sign and follow it for the lanes after 12 o clock regardless of how the roundabout looks visually. The problem is, not everyone follows the sign and they interpret what they think is 12 o clock from the angle they enter the roundabout, which isn't always right or consistent.
Originally posted by Retrogamer
”Isn't that the same problem that causes most accidents? Drivers misinterpreting the rules of the road?

I don't think that argument can be used in this case though. The highway code clearly states that when taking the first exit, you should be in the left hand lane unless markings/signs indicate otherwise. Not really any room for interpretation in that.

Unholyangel, this is what you said on the previous page.
Do yourself a favour and stop contradicting what you are saying...

Insurance industry is not a charity, if there was any blame that could be put on me I am sure they would just so that they could at least partially recover their cost.