the snap general election thread

hallmark

Or you could judge him by the company he keeps:

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has apologised “from the bottom of my heart” for suggesting in 2003 that the IRA should be honoured for the bombings which brought the British government “to the negotiating table”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/18/john-mcdonnell-apologises-for-ira-comment-labour

chucknorris

hallmark wrote: »

Or you could judge him by the company he keeps:

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has apologised “from the bottom of my heart” for suggesting in 2003 that the IRA should be honoured for the bombings which brought the British government “to the negotiating table”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/18/john-mcdonnell-apologises-for-ira-comment-labour

I don't have enough evidence to judge him, so I am merely stating an opinion, I went too far when I said 'evil'. Be careful not to become as bad as those who you criticise.

Rinoa

Moby wrote: »

Chuck I'm in the party. I know many of these people. It's about whether he could win. They don't think he's evil though?

I suspect many thought his policies were unworkable.

Now he's winning they simply don't care.

hallmark

chucknorris wrote: »

Not really, because I don't actually know his intent, he could just be misguided.

Don't take my word for it (really). Read up on the man then decide. His support of terrorism has gone on for decades & is a matter of public record. To this day he refuses to apologise for it or change his position.

Two years ago:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11787955/Jeremy-Corbyn-refuses-to-condemn-IRA-for-terrorist-atrocities.html

Mr Corbyn refused three times to directly condemn the IRA, instead highlighting Bloody Sunday and the role of the British Army during the conflict.


A month ago:
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-labour-wants-fair-immigration-based-on-the-needs-of-our-society-10886500

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised after he refused five times to directly condemn the IRA in an interview with Sky News.

hallmark

chucknorris wrote: »

Be careful not to become as bad as those who you criticise.

Neither of us have to lose any sleep over that.

Moby

chucknorris wrote: »

God bless them, it is such a shame that the innocent are doomed to suffer.

I'll probably be looking into joining the the Labour party myself eventually, if it gives me a vote over who is the leader. I'll still be a Tory though, I just want to try and avoid the worst possible scenario.

I've known you for ages on these threads and we differ politically but I do respect you. I really don't see him in the way he is presented. The press have done a hatchet job on him for years. It's not the reality though. I always saw him as a nice guy, a campaigner but not a leader and I thought he was destroying the Labour Party, not through being malicious but by doing a Michael Foot. I've changed my mind and acknowledge I was wrong about him.

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

I suspect many thought his policies were unworkable.

Now he's winning they simply don't care.

...but you have to acknowledge he put out a manifesto and attempted to cost it. The tories didn't even think they had to bother because the public would believe them anyway.

hallmark

Moby wrote: »

I've known you for ages on these threads and we differ politically but I do respect you. I really don't see him in the way he is presented. The press have done a hatchet job on him for years.

Provide some evidence.

The reality is the press had never heard of him until 2015 & since then the only "hatchet job" that's been done on him has been to report some of the very many facts about him. Such as:

- His support of the IRA
- His calling Hamas & Hezbollah "Friends"
- His accepting money to appear on Islamic TV channels that are banned in the UK
- His refusal to condemn the attacks from Momentum on Labour MPs who dared to diagree with him
- His refusal to stand down despite an overwhelming vote of no-confidence from Labour MPs
- His continual weaponization of terrorist atrocities & disasters like this week's fire.

All that and many many other things equally vile.

None of that is opinion, it's all fact & I can provide links proving all of it (as you know).

You & every other Corbyn supporter loves to ply the line that the press misrepresents him. It's a simple lie. They don't.

People will note note that wheras I can provide links to all of the above and more, when they dispute it the Corbyn supporters will not be able to provide a shred of evidence any of it is false. Because it's not.

chucknorris

Moby wrote: »

I've known you for ages on these threads and we differ politically but I do respect you. I really don't see him in the way he is presented. The press have done a hatchet job on him for years. It's not the reality though. I always saw him as a nice guy, a campaigner but not a leader and I thought he was destroying the Labour Party, not through being malicious but by doing a Michael Foot. I've changed my mind and acknowledge I was wrong about him.

Thanks, I bear no grudges against you. To be honest I haven't taken any notice about anything written about him, I am totally ignorant of all of that, I was probably just too lazy to read it. But quite recently, I did come (perhaps incorrectly) to my own conclusions about him, based around events and looking at his own party and who is distancing themselves from him. It must take a lot for people like Liz Kendall (who really I respect) to distance herself from the Labour cabinet because of him.

wintersunshine

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Without getting into specific parts of the public sector. In broad terms the total packages on offer. Pay, holidays, sick pay, pensions. Needs to be bench marked against private sector pay. Then there's output and productivity to be considered.

From my own experience the public sector is someway behind the private sector. Certainly at immediate management level which appears to operate as a self protecting club. Making significant change speedy impossible.

Under Brown spending on the NHS increased 10%. Productivity in the same period only 2%. Money alone isn't always the answer.

A pay rise is only beneficial for 6 weeks. Then it's forgotten. Peoples memories are very short.

You get a pay rise from Corbyn - then he puts up your taxes to pay for your pay rise - then your mortgage goes up because Corbyn is spending too much money.

Seriously, you're not going to be better off under Corbyn. What he gives with one hand, he'll take with the other.