the snap general election thread

kabayiri

fun4everyone wrote: »

Actually the rules of the Good Friday agreement are that there has to be neutrality, which is clearly completely lacking in this deal.
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So?

Come back to me when there is real evidence of this neutrality disappearing.

Until then it is merely speculation.

steampowered

hallmark wrote: »

Why on earth would you think that? I'm pro-Brexit & despite the hopes & wishes of the Remainers on here still think it will happen and happen the way everybody who voted for it intended i.e. out of the single market & no freedom of movement.

This is factually incorrect. The polling I've seen suggests that most Brexit voters want to stay in the single market. This poll suggests it is as high as 90%.

Joe_Horner

kabayiri wrote: »

So?

Come back to me when there is real evidence of this neutrality disappearing.

Until then it is merely speculation.

That really is an absurd statement.

An agreement without question threatens, if not impartiality, at least the clear and transparent view of impartiality which makes the peace process possible.

Presumably, if the troubles did kick off again as a result of this, you'd be maintaining that it had nothing to do with the deal which destabilised things and was entirely because of the people now bombing again?

We've heard that argument elsewhere recently from political illiterates, how many more times?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

So?

Come back to me when there is real evidence of this neutrality disappearing.

Until then it is merely speculation.

Evidence is not required.

The GFA is built on trust and neutrality - even the perception of bias will give rise to grievance - and this could fatally damage the goodwill necessary to maintain the peace.

This is a very dangerous game May is playing for selfish political gain.

kabayiri

steampowered wrote: »

This is factually incorrect. The polling I've seen suggests that most Brexit voters want to stay in the single market. This poll suggests it is as high as 90%.

The only people who decide on access to this market is the people who are remaining in the EU club, which is the EU27.

They haven't shown any inkling yet that they want to discuss it. They want to resolve exit price and citizen rights first.

When they start talking real details then we will know a lot more about attitudes from each side.

steampowered

Labour are now going on record as saying that we will not remain in the single market.

John McDonnell this morning:

"The shadow chancellor has told ITV's Peston on Sunday he does not see continued membership of the single market as "even being on the table" in Brexit negotiations.

John McDonnell said he thought people would interpret continued membership of the single market as not respecting the decision of the referendum."

We are hearing the same from Jeremy Corbyn on Andrew Marr. Very clear that membership of the single market is not a realistic option - instead Labour would focus on negotiating tariff free access to the European market for UK businesses.

What do the Brexiteers think of this? It now seems that Labour are being more honest with people on Europe and are more likely to respect the result of the June referendum than the Conservatives.

kabayiri

Joe_Horner wrote: »

That really is an absurd statement.
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It's irrelevant what you think, since you don't get to decide.

Want to change it? Stand as a MP....otherwise just carry on moaning.

steampowered

fun4everyone wrote: »

Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 45% (+5)
CON: 39% (-3)
LDEM: 7% (-)
UKIP: 3% (+1)
(via Survation / 10 Jun)
Changes with GE2017

Absolutley amazing. Also 150k new Labour party members in the past three days.

After a week of the creationist coalition of chaos it will be more like 50% :rotfl:

Outstanding. Thank you for posting this.

Moby

mayonnaise wrote: »

Has anyone seen Conrad lately?

He's in Singapore setting up the groundwork for our dynamic new economic future as a world trading colossus.

Joe_Horner

kabayiri wrote: »

It's irrelevant what you think, since you don't get to decide.

Want to change it? Stand as a MP....otherwise just carry on moaning.

By all means give meaningless answers to a snipped quote. What you may not see after so many years of the politics we've had is that life isn't about scoring quick points. It may look great on PMQ but it doesn't actually achieve anything unless you also address the issues.

And a deal between the DUP and UK government is a HUGE issue whether you like it or not.