the snap general election thread

ManofLeisure_2

Neither May nor Corbyn have been able to express their brexit plans beyond slogans and aspirations. The whole business seems to be a chaotic mess.

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm sure there will be those in the government who have raised this very question

Do you really believe that? As far as I can tell it's all about The Tories retaining power with no thought of the consequences. The Conservative have been haemorrhaging dignity at an alarming rate recently.

gfplux

roddydogs wrote: »

Has anyone got an explanation why she went for a 7 week campaign when 3-4 weeks would have almost certainly won a decent majority?

Because we have now found out that she was incredibly bad at the job.

Joe_Horner

Ballard wrote: »

Do you really believe that? As far as I can tell it's all about The Tories retaining power with no thought of the consequences. The Conservative have been haemorrhaging dignity at an alarming rate recently.

There are plenty of mutterings and several high profile voices on the Conservative warning of the dangers including people who've been instrumental in pushing the peace process as far as it's come.

Whether or not Party HQ decides to heed those warnings is, of course, an entirely different question.

Aberdeenangarse

As a Consevative voter, I think the Torys have been a total disgrace during this Election. To be quite honest, it would be interesting to see how the Country would be run under a left wing Labour government. I can see them pouring money into the NHS and Public services, which would be a good thing. I guess the money would come by Taxing the middle and upper classes. Well off Pensioners could take a bit of a canning too. Corbyn's Land Tax would hit those with only a modest Property a hefty tax bill,which wouldn't go down well.

We'll just have to wait and see, or not wait and see, if that's the case.

BobQ

ManofLeisure wrote: »

Neither May nor Corbyn have been able to express their brexit plans beyond slogans and aspirations. The whole business seems to be a chaotic mess.

Do explain how you would define a Brexit plan when it depends on negotiation?

System

BobQ wrote: »

Do explain how you would define a Brexit plan when it depends on negotiation?

I think the first part of the plan would be deciding whether you are going to support Brexit or not.
Corbyn gave poor leadership on that during both the referendum and the election. Considering that it was largely labour supporters who swung the referendum result, it would suggest he missed a trick during the election.

He might have won the election if he had more visibly supported Brexit.

Joe_Horner

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

Considering that it was largely labour supporters who swung the referendum result, it would suggest he missed a trick during the election.

He might have won the election if he had more visibly supported Brexit.

That's a definite possibility but I'm not entirely sure he did.

It's easy to forget that we tend to live in bubbles and even easier to forget that one of those is "people who feel strongly about....". While this site, like many others, has carried a wide range of views on Brexit and the GE, even here there's a unifying characteristic - posts tend to be by people who care enough either way to bother posting.

I know that among my "real life" acquaintances, Brexit simply isn't really that big an issue either way for the majority. Some voted for, some against, but almost all really didn't see it as a defining issue of who they were or what this country should be. They just wanted to get on with life and still be able to buy the odd Brie at Christmas.

I hope that the Labour campaign cottoned on to that and left it as a non-issue as a result rather than just trying to bury their heads about it. The fact that they were clearly on record (even before the campaign for anyone bothering to listen) as saying it was going to happen and it's now the details that matter suggests they probably did.

It's happening, it's therefore important that it's done right, but it's really not a defining issue for most of the country.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Do explain how you would define a Brexit plan when it depends on negotiation?

Seems to be to the part all politicians are omitting. What's the price to be paid? Easy to cherry pick this and that. The EU is at it's heart a political project not an economic one. Sure that this will become ever more apparent over the months to come.

masterwilde

well when it comes to the EU each conservative leader this century has screwed it up, so with May still in power lets she has she screws us over