the snap general election thread

ThinkingOutLoud_2

setmefree2 wrote: »

I am actually happy.
No high Lab taxes.
No Lab nationalization.
No Lab overspending big time.
No tory grammar schools.
No Tory fox hunting.
No stupid tory social care plans.
I am pleased.
Whenever we have the next election, hopefully there will be a better choice of policies.

It does feel like that - celebrating less what they are going to do - and more what they are not likely to be able to!

Almost like the electorate colluded to say we don't much like any of it so we are going vote between us so as to not give anybody the majority or mandate to act at will.

They will actually have to think before they roll out a policy! How refreshing.

kabayiri

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Not sure why anyone is celebrating. Nobody won, and the country quite definitely lost big time.

Has Britain ever been so polarised? There is hardly any centre ground (where elections are supposed to be won and lost) anymore. How can a PM unite such extremes?

A generation in the making IMO.

We have a "me" society. My house to pass down; my pay is more important than your pay; my right to strike; my concerns over job security; my right to a cheap plumber/grafter; my right to significant religious and cultural practice.

The politicians can not say they were not given the hints. The 2015 GE unearthed 4m UKIp votes. The Brexit vote revealed high levels of anti immigration sentiment.

What was the response to this? Either a say little Tory mob, or Corbyn promising even more of the "my" shopping list.

I'm not surprised we are polarised. It's not an even country any more. Maybe it hasn't been even for decades.

agarnett

Rinoa wrote: »

And why only in this election, where one party was giving away £50k+ to everyone going to university, did all the young folk suddenly decide voting is now cool.

Don't be silly Rinoa. Those "young folk" old enough to vote are already committed to enormous debt in the existing tuition fee schemes. Very few of them would be in a position to take advantage themselves of any new zero fees scheme that might have started this year.

What I think too many "old folk" (of my generation and older) do not understand at all, is that we have a brilliant generation of millennials who are as much a credit to our country as those who fought in WW2. I am serious. They are of the right stuff and they don't take bribes. They think in terms of the many who are their friends and peers, and family and that includes still caring for oldies in their families blinded with stupid little England ideas of Europe and a general tolerance older generations have never learned to apply wisely. Social networking and the opportunities so many have had for travel means millennials are more level-headed, less work shy, less self-centred, far more inclusive and knowledgeable of other cultures and genuinely much wiser than any generation before them. And as they start out in life, they have had to suffer the diabolical low wage economy we have presented them with. Yet they are getting on with it. I am proud of them, and I really hope they have shaken a few old stick in the muds out of their comfortable armchairs this night.

Our young voters are in very many ways ahead of their time, and I thank God for their contribution in steadying our culture and the direction of our society. It is they who actually give me hope.

Let's hope this lame duck and the pair of tights she's now using as a fanbelt, although I've not actually seen the engine turning since it seized, quickly pull over and get out of the way, and let the main traffic of society get on with our journey to something much better.

setmefree2

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

It does feel like that - celebrating less what they are going to do - and more what they are not likely to be able to!

Almost like the electorate colluded to say we don't much like any of it so we are going vote between us so as to not give anybody the majority or mandate to act at will.

They will actually have to think before they roll out a policy! How refreshing.

It's like taking off a pair of ill fitting shoes.

I think we can breathe easy for a while - however long this government lasts - they're not going to be able to get up to much.

And if they have any sense they'll find some money for the public sector - even if it involves raising taxes for everyone.

setmefree2

agarnett wrote: »

Don't be silly Rinoa. Those "young folk" old enough to vote are already committed to enormous debt in the existing tuition fee schemes. Very few of them would be in a position to take advantage themselves of any new zero fees scheme that might have started this year.

Corbyn was promising to look at writing off existing student debt. I think I read this would cost £70 billion.

But yes our young people are a wonderful generation as well.

mayonnaise

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I don't know if this is possible, but surely the most sensible thing to do now would be to "uninvoke" article 50 until the dust settles and there is some idea of exactly who has a mandate to negotiate with the EU...

Would make sense. I'm pretty sure our European friends and partners would be willing to accommodate that.

CKhalvashi

mayonnaise wrote: »

Would make sense. I'm pretty sure our European friends and partners would be willing to accommodate that.

Me too!

Where are the usual suspects this morning? I miss them already

Rinoa

agarnett wrote: »

Don't be silly Rinoa. Those "young folk" old enough to vote are already committed to enormous debt in the existing tuition fee schemes. Very few of them would be in a position to take advantage themselves of any new zero fees scheme that might have started this year.

There are 2,000,000 at university right now. That's a lot of votes.
And of course if you have kids, or even grandkids, soon to be starting you may believe voting Labour is like giving them £40/50k.

kabayiri

setmefree2 wrote: »

Corbyn was promising to look at writing off existing student debt. I think I read this would cost £70 billion.

But yes our young people are a wonderful generation as well.

Young people could cope with student debt if they were confident it would lead to consistent high quality jobs paying the premium they were told it would.

The reality is that for many students this is not the case. I have met too many bright and gifted grads working in Team Leader roles in contact centres. Up here in the NW that means £18K - £24K and not a lot of job security.

But Corbyn is a socialist. He doesn't understand job creation outside of the Public Sector.

michaels

Rinoa wrote: »

There are 2,000,000 at university right now. That's a lot of votes.
And of course if you have kids, or even grandkids, soon to be starting you may believe voting Labour is like giving them £40/50k.

Yep - in 5 years time I would have been happy to take a 150k bung.