the snap general election thread

CKhalvashi

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Not sure why anyone is celebrating. Nobody won, and the country quite definitely lost big time.

Has Britain ever been so polarised? There is hardly any centre ground (where elections are supposed to be won and lost) anymore. How can a PM unite such extremes?

We're celebrating because nobody won. That's the best we could have hoped for at this time.

The country won, as a result of the resulting much softer exit that this will give us. Even Farage is heading towards thinking we should have another referendum, and as a Remain campaigner, whilst it's not ideal to have Farage on board, now he has sort of said it, I can only fully agree with him on this one.

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I see that Theresa May has said this morning that she has no intention of resigning. On current form, I give her until about lunchtime...

It's just the next U-turn waiting for her.

She's got form for saying she'll do one thing and then doing something else completely, you know

Moby

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

There is irony - but I think both Sinn Fein and DUP as now are what came out of a peace process.
Neither are perfect - but when you see how Paisley and McGuinness reconciled and even got on - you could try to move on in their regard as well.
The past should not be forgotten - but we don't hold every German we meet as responsible for Hitler.
Otherwise, there would be no peace or GFA.

I remember in 2015 the tory scare tactics, (that worked) of Miliband being in the pocket of the SNP.....what are the tories going to offer the DUP!

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

What alarms me is the possibility of Corbyn forming a minority government? That to me says everything about what he is, he simply does not care what the people want.

Replace Corbyn with May and you can make the same statement. If there was a second election soon then I believe Labour would win.

Moby wrote: »

I remember in 2015 the tory scare tactics, (that worked) of Miliband being in the pocket of the SNP.....what are the tories going to offer the DUP!

If her negotiating stance with the EU is anything to go by, then she's going to offer them nothing and expect everything in return. She's delusional, always has been and always will be.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The country won, as a result of the resulting much softer exit that this will give us.

We hope that, but we don't know that. She wants to hang on by her toe nails and push through colonial brexit.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

She's got form for saying she'll do one thing and then doing something else completely, you know

Or sending someone else to do the talking for her.

chucknorris

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Even Farage is heading towards thinking we should have another referendum

I saw him being interviewed a couple of hours ago, but I missed him saying that, what exactly did he say?

CKhalvashi

chucknorris wrote: »

I saw him being interviewed a couple of hours ago, but I missed him saying that, what exactly did he say?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/nigel-farage-admits-we-could-be-looking-at-a-second-referendum-6696351/

I did say 'sort of', however the hung parliament has thrown a very interesting spanner into such possibilities.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

Germans (Manfred Weber of the CSU) have just said that this is the end of the UK's hard Brexit, and has asked to meet Corbyn. A stinging snub for Theresa May.

May tried to tell us what the election would be about! She tried to say ....this election is about strengthening my hand over brexit. Actually Theresa... No! You dont get to decide the issues of this election. I work in public services and your party treats me like !!!!. I'm not happy with your social care policy, your treatment of the NHS. I don't like the way you have smeared Corbyn; I don't like the way you suck up to big business and give tax breaks to the rich...... but tell me that because of austerity I have to suck it up for yet another year! Your patronising tone to the workers.....'come with me' speech!.....she is toast. Loads of material in this campaign will be used against her, time and time again.

May chose to clothe herself as a tough negotiator who would get the best deal. She alienated the people she was going to be negotiating with. She is now an empty puff ball of a politician who apparently is going to soldier on. Barnier will have her for breakfast! He will say to her..... Theresa your country is totally divided and your mandate is weak so what do you bring to the table! She laughed at Corbyn describing him as someone who would be 'naked' in the negotiations. Well Theresa May that nasty allusion is going to come back to haunt you!

Zero_Gravitas

chucknorris wrote: »

I accept anything could happen, but given that the Brexit negotiations start in 10 days, what logic are you basing this on? Surely in the short term the Tories are going to have to rally behind May, don't you think?

It was intended as a humorous comment, based on the fact that Theresa May has u-turned at every opportunity during the campaign; and using that to suggest that anything she now says, she is likely to do the opposite very shortly.

I apologise for making a joke so bad that it had to be explained.

chucknorris

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

It was intended as a humorous comment, based on the fact that Theresa May has u-turned at every opportunity during the campaign; and using that to suggest that anything she now says, she is likely to do the opposite very shortly.

I apologise for making a joke so bad that it had to be explained.

Well she is only currently 2/1 to resign, so it could happen, but I just don't see it happening (in the short term). But if it wasn't for the Brexit negotiations being so soon, I think she would be toast.

mayonnaise

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Not sure why anyone is celebrating. Nobody won, and the country quite definitely lost big time.

Has Britain ever been so polarised? There is hardly any centre ground (where elections are supposed to be won and lost) anymore. How can a PM unite such extremes?

The country didn't lose big time.
1) We'll probably be heading for a soft Norway-style brexit now. That's a plus.
2) Due to 1), and the performance of the SNP, the chances of a Union-threatening Indyref2 have significantly subsided. That's another plus.

Win-win all around.:beer:

Crashy_Time

Moby wrote: »

May tried to tell us what the election would be about! She tried to say ....this election is about strengthening my hand over brexit. Actually Theresa... No! You dont get to decide the issues of this election. I work in public services and your party treats me like !!!!. I'm not happy with your social care policy, your treatment of the NHS. I don't like the way you have smeared Corbyn; I don't like the way you suck up to big business and give tax breaks to the rich...... but tell me that because of austerity I have to suck it up for yet another year! Your patronising tone to the workers.....'come with me' speech!.....she is toast. Loads of material in this campaign will be used against her, time and time again.

May chose to clothe herself as a tough negotiator who would get the best deal. She alienated the people she was going to be negotiating with. She is now an empty puff ball of a politician who apparently is going to soldier on. Barnier will have her for breakfast! He will say to her..... Theresa your country is totally divided and your mandate is weak so what do you bring to the table! She laughed at Corbyn describing him as someone who would be 'naked' in the negotiations. Well Theresa May that nasty allusion is going to come back to haunt you!

True, but the EU elite are just illusionists as well, fantasists in some cases, all it needs is a proper bank run in Spain or Italy or Greece to say enough is enough and their circus tent will also be flapping in the wind.