the snap general election thread

strawberries1

If you're invited to ask a question on BBC Question Time Election special this Friday, what question will you put to the panel?

My thoughts are around national security and what a successful Brexit means.

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Council tax should be paid according to usage, a farmer has many acres of land, does not mean he is rich, and this would put up the price of food.

So you would be happy with one person living on that farm, paying farm hands to work on that land, only using the council services occasionally, paying many many times more than a household of 4 people using the services that 4 people use? Doesn't matter if they are rich or poor, that cannot be right or fair. Especially if that causes the farmer to have to sell off the land for houses. I know labour would rather have the housing for the refugees all over every inch of our green and pleasant land, but we need food.

Anyway, why are Labour denying this, call it whatever you will it is still a garden tax as people with gardens have more land.

Of course I see why Labour would want this, they would relish a house price crash, they don't like people owning anything for themselves let alone houses where they can control nothing within. A house price crash would mean many, many families being in negative equity, increasing the risk of repossession with ongoing costs to pay back the rest of the mortgage. This would mean they were quite probably forced into social housing, government would buy up the houses cheap and so on.

Don't forget the last thing labour want is aspiration, people wanting to better themselves, cant have that.

What a bunch of absolute baloney. Although it does mirror almost to the word the propaganda the Murdoch press is pumping out today about this issue.

If you own land that isn't worth very much you won't pay very much tax. It's not really that radical is it? People who have less pay less.

Most economists are in favour of a land tax by proportional value and most people who have spent a few seconds thinking about it realise it is much fairer than the gross inequality of massively overcharging people who live in small, cheap properties, and providing what amounts to a huge council tax subsidy to rich landowners with second third, fourth etc. properties.

Most of the Sun readers shrieking about this issue would pay LESS property tax under this system. Of course Rupert Murdoch and Tory MPs would pay a lot more which is why they don't like it.

Btw. How you can equate cheaper housing with people being unable to afford housing defies any type of logic.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/labour-manifesto-land-value-tax-what-is-it-how-work-election-2017-a7739186.html

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

If last GE is anything to go by, the left will go into stunned silence and then anger. Miliband was a hero towards the GE climax and then soon blamed for the loss.

Oh lighten up, you'll still get your Tory government and your Brexit this month. It's just neither of those things are going to be anything like as right wing as you want them to be now, and a united left wing Labour Party is going to annihilate them in 5 years time.

Filo25

Conrad wrote: »

If last GE is anything to go by, the left will go into stunned silence and then anger. Miliband was a hero towards the GE climax and then soon blamed for the loss.

I'm sure the Corbyn wing of the party will blame the usual suspects

Tony Blair
Blairites
Parliamentary Labour Party
Tony Blair again
The MSM
Neoliberals
The manifesto not being socialist enough

I say that as someone who is going to vote Labour as well in what is probably my least enthusiastic vote in recent times!

Spidernick

strawberries1 wrote: »

If you're invited to ask a question on BBC Question Time Election special this Friday, what question will you put to the panel?

My thoughts are around national security and what a successful Brexit means.

Er, wasn't that last Friday?!

EDIT: Mea culpa - there is one this Friday after all! Sorry.

kabayiri

There is only one question :

"Where is Diane?"

(I wanted to use the 'Who shot JR' variant but I worry some people might take it too literally)

Filo25

Final Opinium poll of the campaign has CON 43 (-) LAB 36 (-1) LDEM 8 (+2) UKIP 5 (-) SNP 5 (-) GRN 2(-)

Conrad

The Germans cant fix poverty but naïve Corbyn thinks he can


A host of major German charities have called for a "rigorous change of course" in the government's tax and finance policies to fight growing poverty, in a major new report released Thursday.


"Growth is what the economy produces, but for years now that hasn't reached the poor population," said Erika Biehn, deputy chairwoman of one of the charities that presented the report in Berlin.





http://www.dw.com/en/german-poverty-rising-despite-economic-growth/a-37787327

Yah_Boo_Sux

Filo25 wrote: »

Final Opinium poll of the campaign has CON 43 (-) LAB 36 (-1) LDEM 8 (+2) UKIP 5 (-) SNP 5 (-) GRN 2(-)

Not that polls are to be relied-upon or even used much as an indicator even, but the Kantar poll seems late?

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

and a united left wing Labour Party is going to annihilate them in 5 years time.

I bet you a Liquorice Sherbet Labour will split / a new progressive party will emerge soon after the GE.


That Labour ex soldier bloke could lead it.


Mind you Corbyn seems to have done well, so I'm not saying the Blairites will be correct if they start up a new party.