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Made up PIP assessment
rockingbilly
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I have borrowed this from another forum. Are the assessors either that stupid or hell bent on making sure that PIP claims are not awarded in the claimant's favour? Does anybody know what the percentage is of failed claims like this one ever being appealed against?
I had a acessment face to face last week and received nil points
I was getting pip and had 13 points for 18 months....the assessor told me she was running late and did not had time to go through my letters I had sent in.
She said I was asked to stand on my tip toes - did not happen
She said I was asked to raise my arms above my head - did not happen
Also she said that I bent over to reach reach my toes, stood on one leg , was able to reach my toes from a sitting position, placed my hands below my knees , was able to crouch down bend knees & stand up, placed my hands behind my back, she said I reached for a bag.... my wife had a bag and for me to reach it I would have to reach across her legs and reach down to pick up her bag.
My assement was at all times sitting down I was asked to put my arms across my chest ,lift one foot at a time of the floor 1"
She passed me a tissue but said I reached and picked up the box and got one ,zipped my cardigan
From what I can see there is no way that the claimant in this case could ever dispute that those actions (that never happened) never happened.
I presume that the only way of 'proving' entitlement is to deal with the descriptors only.
What I am interested in knowing is what happens to a report like that if the claimant can prove entitlement? Surely there would have to be an investigation into how the assessor was able to report all of that when medical evidence supports that those deemed actions were physically impossible? The report will still lie on their file and could be used against them at some time in the future.
I had a acessment face to face last week and received nil points
I was getting pip and had 13 points for 18 months....the assessor told me she was running late and did not had time to go through my letters I had sent in.
She said I was asked to stand on my tip toes - did not happen
She said I was asked to raise my arms above my head - did not happen
Also she said that I bent over to reach reach my toes, stood on one leg , was able to reach my toes from a sitting position, placed my hands below my knees , was able to crouch down bend knees & stand up, placed my hands behind my back, she said I reached for a bag.... my wife had a bag and for me to reach it I would have to reach across her legs and reach down to pick up her bag.
My assement was at all times sitting down I was asked to put my arms across my chest ,lift one foot at a time of the floor 1"
She passed me a tissue but said I reached and picked up the box and got one ,zipped my cardigan
From what I can see there is no way that the claimant in this case could ever dispute that those actions (that never happened) never happened.
I presume that the only way of 'proving' entitlement is to deal with the descriptors only.
What I am interested in knowing is what happens to a report like that if the claimant can prove entitlement? Surely there would have to be an investigation into how the assessor was able to report all of that when medical evidence supports that those deemed actions were physically impossible? The report will still lie on their file and could be used against them at some time in the future.
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Wouldn't that person ask for a reconsideration and take it to Tribunal if that failed?0
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Maybe, but I don't know what the percentage is for those that would give up there and then or appeal the decision.Many I believe would just give up on the basis of finding it impossible to dispute that those actions took place. They may well be able to prove that enough descriptors fit them but that still leaves a damning report on the file.Wouldn't that person ask for a reconsideration and take it to Tribunal if that failed?
More important is the fact that with a report like that you really don't have a chance in disputing it. That is unless you are wheel chair bound and/or have no legs.
Even if an award is made is there any system that would kick in for the DWP to investigate how a report of that nature was issued in the first place?0 -
Think this would be better off in Discussion Time0
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Not really a discussion is it?Think this would be better off in Discussion Time
Does anyone know what the percentage is for claims that are refused that are then appealed against V those that just give up?
Secondly, is there a system in place that would enable the DWP to investigate these types of reports that are subsequently proved to be incorrect?0 -
It is really. The OP is about DWP's policy on dealing with apparently bad assessments. Not about helping individuals with their benefits issues - as the post you quoted was off another board, as well
Worth a look at the sticky at the top of this forum0 -
It is really. The OP is about DWP's policy on dealing with apparently bad assessments. Not about helping individuals with their benefits issues - as the post you quoted was off another board, as well
Worth a look at the sticky at the top of this forum
What the original poster said is one thing, I am asking two questions based on that post.
1. How many people (as a percentage) with a negative decision actually go on to make an appeal?
2. What processes are in place for the DWP to investigate how a report of that type could be made despite the claimant having the decision overturned at a Tribunal?
In other words, the Tribunal on the balance of probabilities decides that the evidence that the claimant supplies out weighs all of the assessors report.0 -
It has nothing to do with other people or percentages, If someone fails a PIP assessment or doesn't get the required points, Then they should focus on their sickness/disability and proceed with evidence, Not proceed on a basis of percentages of passing.
Other peoples assessments and conditions shouldn't be taking into account when you claim PIP.0 -
rockingbilly wrote: »What the original poster said is one thing, I am asking two questions based on that post.
1. How many people (as a percentage) with a negative decision actually go on to make an appeal?
2. What processes are in place for the DWP to investigate how a report of that type could be made despite the claimant having the decision overturned at a Tribunal?
In other words, the Tribunal on the balance of probabilities decides that the evidence that the claimant supplies out weighs all of the assessors report.
Why don't you ask those questions to the DWP?
(And I agree, you are not asking for help on your entitlement so it shouldn't be on this board.)0 -
By some bizarre coincidence a Google search of OP's post takes you to a thread with posts by les59996!0
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By some bizarre coincidence a Google search of OP's post takes you to a thread with posts by les59996!
I did a gogole search too but came up with a new member name Flod who has joined youreable this month.
Probably billy/les's new name.
By the way billy, how did your AA assessment go? I cannot be the only one who would like to know.
Is the fictitious PIP assessment above actually how your AA assessment went? After all if someone had a PIP assessment 'last week' they have certainly got the result very quickly as it normally has to go to the DWP to be seen by a Decision maker...
whereas maybe at an AA assessment you are told straight away?
Who knows what is in your mind Flod.0
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