Finding it very difficult to find a job - nearly 26yo graduate with little experience

sevva888

lincroft1710 wrote: »

For what reason then?

Yes, the unfair dismissals act does not apply, but I am not saying any more on the matter.

bouicca21

So you are basically going to tell prospective employers that you are a fantastically high achiever who could achieve amazing results in a matter of months yet still get sacked through an inability to get on with a manager?

Does it not occur to you that this is the sort of story that makes employers think that you are a. a fantasist, b. arrogant and c. incapable of working in a team?

You really need to work on that cv and on getting some experience (voluntary or otherwise) that will get you some good references. Think hard about how others interpret what you say rather than telling 'the absolute truth' as you see it.

Concerned75

If this is the standard CV today, then it's a world away from the ones I've seen in my days.
My own personal view is perhaps it's too complex worded for someone who has only been in work for 4 yrs with no or very experience.
As someone has said, it doesn't say anything about any technical skills or interests.
I would agree, i think a CV does benefit from a personal profile about yourself and what attributes you can bring to the role, the classics; showing initiative, willing to learn new things etc...

Sometimes less with quality is greater than more with quantity.

getmore4less

sevva888 wrote: »

To be more understanding with people and not get frustrated , they may have more pressing matters to attend to even though your department's work may seem like the most important thing in the world to me.

wow, to get them complaining there must have been some serious issues going on.

I don't think I have any other option but to tell them the absolute truth (including contacts), otherwise I don't think they are going to believe my achievements. I think I owe it to myself to present my achievements, but the cost of that is that I am going to tell them why they had to dismiss me.

You are not good enough for an interviewer to go chasing to remove any uncertainty of this level by following references.

Looks like you have also missed the most important lesson you could have learned from why this went wrong

Have a think and see if you can work it out.

sevva888

bouicca21 wrote: »

So you are basically going to tell prospective employers that you are a fantastically high achiever who could achieve amazing results in a matter of months yet still get sacked through an inability to get on with a manager?

Does it not occur to you that this is the sort of story that makes employers think that you are a. a fantasist, b. arrogant and c. incapable of working in a team?

You really need to work on that cv and on getting some experience (voluntary or otherwise) that will get you some good references. Think hard about how others interpret what you say rather than telling 'the absolute truth' as you see it.

It's the truth that I achieved what I achieved, all I need to do is state the facts. Ok, I can leave out that I got fired and not go for another buyer role because going for another buyer role draws much more suspicion. Instead I can say that I did not want to carry on with that career path because whilst I thought it had some legal content I did not see my future there.

I will volunteer at the CAB. However, I do find it very distasteful to leave out what I did in my previous role.
Also, others interpreting what I am saying as arrogant or fantasy is down to their own cynicism, I can prove that these things happened because I have the presentational evidence to prove it on my phone. What is wrong with sharing the facts of what I did? I can talk through the steps I took to get to the end deal even. Is that not one of the points of the interview? To work out if the interviewee has the aptitude to prove that he has achieved the things he said he has achieved?

I am not saying this to be unpleasant, I am just saying that I think I deserve to be able to demonstrate what I did for the company in an interview.

And if they are questioning my ability which they have the right to do as interviewers, then I have the right at an attempt to persuade them otherwise. I can say a lot about what I did , e.g. Creating an asset list of servers that were located across the country, and suggesting a more cost effective pricing arrangement that was based on how many servers there actually were, rather than the former model of pricing.

sevva888

getmore4less wrote: »

You are not good enough for an interviewer to go chasing to remove any uncertainty of this level by following references.

Looks like you have also missed the most important lesson you could have learned from why this went wrong

Have a think and see if you can work it out.

Yes, my relationships went very sour. I basically shared an email with colleagues in my team highlighting the incompetence of the person in question. That was what got me fired. As a Junior you just cannot do that. But, I hated the job so I just did it anyway. My manager basically told me that I cannot demand people to prioritise our team in their actions. In a big company like that, there were a lot of delays out of my control that hindered projects, you basically have to schmooze your way out of it like some people. My manager actually told me at the time that you can get away with being !!!! at your job if you are the type of person that is totally inoffensive and flies under the radar. That, that does not come naturally to me.

xapprenticex

Its amazing how many people think they can come here, ask a question and then when they are ready, demand that the thread be removed. It doesn't work like that.

End of the day, you're not finding work, not even warehouse work so you are clearly doing things wrong. People have tried to point out what they THINK is wrong, you may disagree, thats up to you.

So back to square one, just figure you stuff out and good luck.

sevva888

xapprenticex wrote: »

Its amazing how many people think they can come here, ask a question and then when they are ready, demand that the thread be removed. It doesn't work like that.

End of the day, you're not finding work, not even warehouse work so you are clearly doing things wrong. People have tried to point out what they THINK is wrong, you may disagree, thats up to you.

So back to square one, just figure you stuff out and good luck.

Honestly I think that for most graduate roles I am screwed. I will have to somehow get a temp job, or work in a startup if I am lucky.

Long term , the best option I may have is to open my own business. First step of course is to be able to get a warehouse job or similar (e.g. machine operative). I am not strapped for cash because I have made savings from online income but I need to get myself into the world of work for the personal experience.

I am facing up to the reality that the reaction of the average employer is most likely to reflect the cynicism in this thread, i.e. that they will simply refuse to believe me about my responsibilities at balfours, and even if they did, they will decide that I am too high risk because of the fact I got fired being a red flag. I.e. The very fact that I got fired could mean that I am !!!! in their eyes and mean that the achievements mean nothing, which really !!!!es me off because I wish I deliberately messed up the project now since it is not going to benefit my future in any way now. In which case, I think I am wasting my time with prospective graduate employers and have to start again at the very bottom. Which, to be honest, even makes my degree meaningless.

This realisation has actually made me even more determined.

getmore4less

You still don't get it!

it is not about people not believing the achievements that is stopping you getting jobs.

dimestorediamond

getmore4less wrote: »

You still don't get it!

it is not about people not believing the achievements that is stopping you getting jobs.

I'm going to agree with this poster. OP, it's not the achievements you've made, it's the short periods of employment and the gaps. It does make employers consider how much of a team player you are. You're clearly confident and driven, but it can come across as too much and without evidence, really. Plus, you have got to look at it from an employer's perspective - they are probably wondering how a person can achieve so many things in such a short time frame.

Also, this online income? Is that not a job worth putting on your CV or is it something like betting?