Finding it very difficult to find a job - nearly 26yo graduate with little experience

sevva888

happyandcontented wrote: »

Lots of opportunities here, but some, maybe most, will inevitably, want the experience you don't have. Major on any negotiating/conflict resolution skills that you have in your application. Missing time on a CV can always be accounted for by "travelling or gap years!" I wouldn't put matched betting on as a source of income.

Another avenue which many law grads explore is Ombudsman Services. Quite a few offices nationwide and they actively seek out those with law degrees to become assessors.

Never really been travelling, I guess that must be the reason why people do it in a sense, to explain CV gaps.

Where are you based? Just curious as to where there may be outside London (with more affordable living costs) where there are more opportunities than the north east at the moment.

happyandcontented

sevva888 wrote: »

Never really been travelling, I guess that must be the reason why people do it in a sense, to explain CV gaps.

Where are you based? Just curious as to where there may be outside London (with more affordable living costs) where there are more opportunities than the north east at the moment.

Sorry, I initially gave a link to paralegal jobs in the North East (of which there were quite a few) then noticed it was a search with links in it. I am in the North too and know there are lots of job opportunities in cities such as Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester and smaller places such as Bolton where the larger legal firms have their call centre operations based.

Tiddlywinks

sevva888 wrote: »

Because I fell out with a manager of another team and that was enough to get me sacked because she escalated the dispute to my director. That is what I will tell them at interviews because it is the truth.

That isn't the WHOLE truth though is it? You later added this:

sevva888 wrote: »

Yes, my relationships went very sour. I basically shared an email with colleagues in my team highlighting the incompetence of the person in question. That was what got me fired.

That action was not only infantile but it can also be considered bullying too.

sevva888 wrote: »

I would even provide them the names and contact details of the people I negotiated with (the suppliers) as proof. I was empowered by the director to own that project.

sevva888 wrote: »

Also, I would prove my recent experience with my previous company (with evidence) because it is 100% the truth. There are many contacts I could share with the interviewers asking the questions that would prove that I led that project. Also I still a have a USB stick with the successful presentation that the chosen supplier gave me. I would also tell any interviewer the reason I left was because I got fired for a dispute. It's then up to them, the prospective employer, to make a decision on me.

sevva888 wrote: »

However, I do find it very distasteful to leave out what I did in my previous role.
Also, others interpreting what I am saying as arrogant or fantasy is down to their own cynicism, I can prove that these things happened because I have the presentational evidence to prove it on my phone. What is wrong with sharing the facts of what I did?

I am speechless about the above comments - did your course work not cover intellectual property rights, commercial in confidence clauses, DPA etc?

You are holding information very probably owned by a commercial organisation and you are planning to share that with another commercial organisation without permission.... hmmm, good luck with that.

sevva888

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

That isn't the WHOLE truth though is it? You later added this:



That action was not only infantile but it can also be considered bullying too.








I am speechless about the above comments - did your course work not cover intellectual property rights, commercial in confidence clauses, DPA etc?

You are holding information very probably owned by a commercial organisation and you are planning to share that with another commercial organisation without permission.... hmmm, good luck with that.

I am not sure you are interested in hearing about how they were bullying me, what can I do as a junior?

Also , I am not sharing confidential aspects of the arrangement (i.e. on non disclosure agreements) with you on here.

sevva888

getmore4less wrote: »

I said try convince us, with the truth and the story, they are different, you need to tell us the truth and the story you can use that does not lie but portrays someone that is hireable.

I gave you a hint with what lesson have you learnt, you failed that.

currently you come across as a liability which is the wrong end of the risk scale most employers will accept.

Think of this as an interview, I believe you are capable, now make me want to hire you...

It's pretty clear they don't care about the facts, just the fact that I was fired and that to stand any chance I have to lie about it which is unethical. They won't think about what I have learnt from it even if I explain what I have learnt, they will just question why I was fired if I achieved those things.

I had a phone interview before where as soon as you tell someone you had been dismissed they just want to hang up. There are no second chances.

Looks like I have to erase the experience from the CV and look for roles that require very minimal experience. (e.g. factory worker)

Also, I am looking into legal action regarding my contract. I know the falling out has effectively !!!!ed up my career anyway so I have no other choice, it might work out.

sevva888

happyandcontented wrote: »

Sorry, I initially gave a link to paralegal jobs in the North East (of which there were quite a few) then noticed it was a search with links in it. I am in the North too and know there are lots of job opportunities in cities such as Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester and smaller places such as Bolton where the larger legal firms have their call centre operations based.

Lets be honest, I have to start from the very bottom as the experience with my now previous company is now inadmissible as credible evidence no matter if it is true or not true.

At this point the only realistic options are CAB/non paid work, or temp work/warehouse/production machine operative. After I gain some momentum maybe I will have a chance, but effectively that whole experience has !!!!ed up my career because I could have used that time to continue with my previous job with EE and tried to assess better options.

Tiddlywinks

sevva888 wrote: »

I am not sure you are interested in hearing about how they were bullying me, what can I do as a junior?

Also , I am not sharing confidential aspects of the arrangement (i.e. on non disclosure agreements) with you on here.

Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse?

Bullying - you made a point of publicly sharing a colleague's error with the rest of the team... you are the bully.

You have indicated that you have retained information (in a durable medium) which was obtained in your former role. You are now saying that you intend to share that information with prospective employers to demonstrate your past achievements... good idea?

IAmWales

sevva888 wrote: »

Also, I am looking into legal action regarding my contract. I know the falling out has effectively !!!!ed up my career anyway so I have no other choice, it might work out.

What legal action are you looking into? You're long past the time limit for a tribunal claim (and any employment law rights would be severely limited due to your short employment). If you're looking at breach of contract then on what grounds would this be based and what would you hope to achieve?

Sounds like you'd be better to focus your efforts on making yourself more employable.

IAmWales

sevva888 wrote: »

Lets be honest, I have to start from the very bottom as the experience with my now previous company is now inadmissible as credible evidence no matter if it is true or not true.

At this point the only realistic options are CAB/non paid work, or temp work/warehouse/production machine operative. After I gain some momentum maybe I will have a chance, but effectively that whole experience has !!!!ed up my career because I could have used that time to continue with my previous job with EE and tried to assess better options.

CAB look for volunteers who can commit in the long term. Advisor training can take upwards of six months, so they would expect you to commit to at least a year.

Voluntary work needs to be a two way relationship - not just something you can put on your cv.

sevva888

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse?

Bullying - you made a point of publicly sharing a colleague's error with the rest of the team... you are the bully.

You have indicated that you have retained information (in a durable medium) which was obtained in your former role. You are now saying that you intend to share that information with prospective employers to demonstrate your past achievements... good idea?

It is not bullying if they also antagonized me repeatedly, that is a dispute. Such as clearly turning direction and walking off away from me in front of everyone when I said hello ... thats bullying, from the person in question. It really depends which side you choose.

Also, regarding the retaining of information, I believe it is legal now at this time. Whether I will share it is another matter given that it really does not seem to matter and won't actually help.

After I have built some other experience (i.e. those jobs regarding no experience) I will put the company back on the CV, but if i were to go for jobs now the companies would not want to hire me because they assume the worst.