Manager refusing to alter Sunday working Hours

stuart30

FBaby wrote: »

In your first post, as above?

No the ORIGINAL request has never will or would have included Saturdays.

This was raised 3 months after a verbal contract was agreed...i say verbal,we have a written contract signed but i wont bother with that as its sorted.

Thank goodness for protective and concerned Husbands.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

stuart30 wrote: »

No the ORIGINAL request has never will or would have included Saturdays.

This was raised 3 months after a verbal contract was agreed...i say verbal,we have a written contract signed but i wont bother with that as its sorted.

Thank goodness for protective and concerned Husbands.

The original request is immaterial. What they came back to her with was that she was ok not to work Sundays, but she couldn't go down to 2 days a week and would have to work Saturdays instead. The right not to work Sundays does not entail an automatic right to shorten your hours. Why can't you understand this simple thing? Her inability to work on Saturdays is not something the employer has to give a toss about.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

stuart30 wrote: »

Why should she have to find child care..she has agreed a set number of days per week and has simply taken the legal option of reducing one of those.

Really isn't difficult to understand...why should she suddenly switch to a day that's not convenient.

Well, you can't understand it.

She doesn't have a legal option of reducing her hours. She has a right not to do any of those hours on Sunday.

The best thing you can do for your wife is tell her that you're not nearly as clever as you have been insisting all these years, apologise to her, leave, and never see her again.

sulphate

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Well, you can't understand it.

She doesn't have a legal option of reducing her hours. She has a right not to do any of those hours on Sunday.

The best thing you can do for your wife is tell her that you're not nearly as clever as you have been insisting all these years, apologise to her, leave, and never see her again.

Yes, this. When I've worked in retail I've always had a contract to do x amount of hours per week. Really wouldn't be surprised if she has a similar one.

Mr.Generous

Look as far as I recall Op is actually right. Company can - NOTE CAN, not must, offer the hours given up by opting out of a Sunday to the employee. If the employee doesn't agree to the hours offered they will reduce contract hours. They cannot say OK you can drop Sunday but you must now work (Inset any particular shift) Saturday.

If however she previously did work Saturdays or a rota that included Saturdays there is no legal right to drop working a Saturday.

Undervalued

Mr.Generous wrote: »

Look as far as I recall Op is actually right. Company can - NOTE CAN, not must, offer the hours given up by opting out of a Sunday to the employee. If the employee doesn't agree to the hours offered they will reduce contract hours. They cannot say OK you can drop Sunday but you must now work (Inset any particular shift) Saturday.

If however she previously did work Saturdays or a rota that included Saturdays there is no legal right to drop working a Saturday.

As I understand it the right to op out of Sunday working (which nobody here is disputing) does not in itself mean the employee has a right to reduce their total contracted hours.

So, assuming their contract was for 22 hours per week (six on Sunday and eight on each of two other days for example) they do not automatically have the right to drop to a 16 hour contract.

So, as far as I am aware, the company could still insist she works 22 hours per week if they so choose. It would obviously depend on the exact contract wording but I would be surprised if a shop assistant's contract was worded in such a way as to totally fix the days.

Whilst they cannot legally penalise her for exercising her right not to do Sundays they are quite entitled to offer an incentive to do so and that could include extra money or more freedom in choosing her other working days.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Mr.Generous wrote: »

Look as far as I recall Op is actually right. Company can - NOTE CAN, not must, offer the hours given up by opting out of a Sunday to the employee. If the employee doesn't agree to the hours offered they will reduce contract hours. They cannot say OK you can drop Sunday but you must now work (Inset any particular shift) Saturday.

If however she previously did work Saturdays or a rota that included Saturdays there is no legal right to drop working a Saturday.

Working Sundays was not part of her contact though. Post 19, "they asked her to cover Sundays 3 years after starting". We haven't been told, however, whether this was an extension or a reallocation of hours.

If what you say is the case even if the Sunday is a just a part of the weekly hours, then everyone could lower their hours just by volunteering to work on a Sunday and then requesting to stop.

The OP is very unforthcoming on the actual details of the contract, preferring to spout homophobic abuse and threaten violence against men he perceives as being weak or gay.

nicechap

Its probably best to let this thread die as the OP is unable to reply.

FBaby

All sorted on a Friday night? That means you either went ahead with your threats or you kindly suggested to your wife that she gives notice?

If the latter, it sounds like that's what they wanted anyway, so that they can employ someone who doesn't have a husband who thinks that they have a requirement to fit their schedule around their wishes.

JReacher1

Undervalued wrote: »

For the record!

Post reported as grossly offensive!

I've also reported this post as it's quoted a very offensive post. We don't want this sort of thing on the forum. It is not the 1980's