Non-standard appeal to IAS - advice welcome

The_Deep

I am struggling to see anything untoward an anything which I have posted.

LoC stated that he/she worked in a field where corruption was not uncommon.
He/she also opined that unless one was "an officer of the court" one's veracity was likely to be discounted. I find that offensive. There are other professions far more highly regarded than the Law, (the Armed Forces, Architecture, Aerospace, teaching).

Loadsofchildren123

Well I give up. Can anyone show me where I said that unless you were an officer of the court your veracity would be discounted? That would be an absurd proposition. Or that corruption is commonplace in my field of law (again absurd)? No? Thought not. What I said was that being an officer of the court may well add weight and tip an evenly balanced scale where it is one person's word against another's, and that I often come across people in my arena who rail against unfairness, wrongdoing and corruption and it does them no favours to pursue a "cause" alongside their case - neither are the same as what is now being claimed.

I like to think that I make a sensible contribution to this forum, not silly, unjustified claims and I am baffled by the reaction to my post which was intended to offer practical assistance and advice. I will not comment any more, and wish the OP every success in defending the PCN.

Btw I meant no offence in #8 to anyone practising in criminal law in case any was taken.

xilverhawk

Thanks all for the answers and the healthy debate so far! This is an excerpt from the last letter I have from UK CPM dated 16/3

"...Thank you for your letter. All correspondence relating to the above parking charge notices has been sent to the same address, this address you have confirmed to be correct as you have included it within your letter for us to respond to. Therefore, we see no reason as to why you would not have received the original Notice to Keeper. If you have a postal issue this is something that UK CPM cannot be held responsible for.
UK CPM has not breached the criteria required to hold the registered keeper liable as both Notice to Keepers and First Reminders were issued within the required timeframe.
Each parking charge notice is now 100+ days old, therefore you have been given several Notices and opportunities to contact us and question/contest the validity if you felt these PCN's were a hoax or scam.
As we have received no correspondence prior to your letter received on 16/03/17 you are now unfortunately out of time to submit an appeal.
If you wish to appeal, The Independent Appeals Service provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. We will engage with, the IAS Non-Standard Appeals Service providing you lodge an appeal to them within 21 days of this letter.
If you do not wish to contest the charge the above cases have been passed to a debt recovery agency and you must now liaise directly with them. You should have already received correspondence in regards to this, however you will also find their details below.
Debt Recovery Plus Ltd 0208 234 6775 10141 301 2355
Yours sincerely..."

I have 2 weeks to get some sort of response to them that bypasses the useless IAS malarkey - interestingly, the footer on the letter indicates these wonderful professionals are members of both IPC AND BPA! This is the best I can do re: link posting - copy and paste into address bar, should work.

1drv.ms/b/s!AhGXOuhzU5XGgeYxCYUm7AjrHxQIag

What do we think, ladies and gentlemen?

Loadsofchildren123

I won't advise on the appeals issue as I'm more focused on proceedings and others will have wiser advice than me.

However, regarding the IPC/BPA issue, I can help you. There are different levels of membership to each ATA and different corresponding logos.
You can be a corporate member of both at the same time. This entitles you to use their oblong logo. But you can only be a member of the AOS (approved operator scheme) of one of them. This entitles you to use their round logo.

So it is perfectly OK for them to use 2 oblong logos but they may only use one roundel.

If they are using 2 roundels you should report them to whichever ATA they are not an AOS member of.

Half_way

The so called non standard IAS appeal must be avoided at all costs
As for standard IAS appeals, theres some healthy debate on these, my opinion is that you should only go down that route if and only if you know exactly what you are doing, and if you know the link between Will Hurley, John Davies, Gladstones Solicitors, The International Parking Community ( trade association) and the Independent Appeals Service (IAS) as well as The Alternative Dispute Resolution for Consumer Disputes. (Competent Authorities and Information) Regulations 2015. (ADR regulations)

The IAS fails on several parts of this legislation, and asking the PPC to provide ADR that meets or exceeds the ADR regulations is in my opinion a good move, the IAS falls well short of this.
Also under these regulations you should have up to 12 months after the event to access an alternative dispute resolution service which should be free for the consumer to access/use, if this is turned down and if it should come to court then you have another stick to beat Will Hurley/John Davies, or whatever spare person from BW legal they can find to attend court with.


As for Parking tickets in general, What happened when you complained to the landowner who took on the parking company? if you haven't done so already then do it, you must say the right things to get the principal to cancel, or at the least get them to state and sign a letter saying they do not support their agents pursuing this matter through court.

Loadsofchildren123

Just to add to my post - corporate membership is meaningless. Its membership of the AOS that binds the PPC to the Code of Practice. When they say they are "accredited" by either BPA or IPC they mean they are a member of its AOS.

xilverhawk

@Half_way, thanks for reminding me of that - complaining to the landowner. The spot in question is the area between the pavement proper and a local school. We'd been parking there for years historically with unofficial consent from the school's caretakers... That recently changed with UK CPM doing their thing.

Now, another key element is that my wife parks there so she can visit her mother; my wife is also her mum's carer. The medical condition in play is well documented and one of those that can flare up quickly & suddenly and which would require quick assistance.

If I can find out if the landowner is the school or the landlord, then I can appeal on medical grounds to have the tickets cancelled, maybe?

Half_way

The term "accredited by" is another yet thing that sounds grander than it is, used to scare people. Especially if the organisation/company giving the accreditation is something like the BPA ltd, or the IPC.
You may as well say that "our operatives are highly trained in effective photography and filming, accredited by the PTFA (Patrick Troy Filming Association) to capture parking events from any angle

Half_way

We'd been parking there for years historically with unofficial consent from the school's caretakers... That recently changed with UK CPM doing their thing.

Its certainly worth taking it up with the School, you would first need to ask if they are responsible for the land, as if they are and you ask about the parking charges, the standard response would be to tell you that all appeals need to be dealt with by the parking company

Loadsofchildren123

Nearly spat my tea out at that one Half_way!
How many years have you been parking there OP. I'm wondering if you could argue that you've acquired rights.