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Fuel efficiency remapping
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Ah, go on. You can do it. Three contentless personal attacks in a row, all completely avoiding the actual subject because you know you're just blustering without facts...
Yes, a last publicly-available figure for Viezu (quite probably the largest of the companies you named) of £2.2m turnover and 14 employees does (...just...) count as multi-million if we're being strictly pedantic. I will cheerfully acknowledge that. Some of that turnover and some of those employees will, of course, be involved in their aftermarket wheel, tyre and bodykit business rather than the remapping.
Do you honestly think it really justifies your original statement, though...?Dont for one minute assume that remapping companies are all two blokes in a shed.
Try having a look at DMS Automotive, Superchips, Evolution Chips, Bluefin - all multi million pound companies and often supplying remaps worldwide.
As for the last one of the three you originally named, Evolution Chips - well, they're even smaller than DMS, although they do at least have a positive net worth.
https://www.duedil.com/company/07258521/motorsport-developments-blackpool-limited0 -
Ah, go on. You can do it. Three contentless personal attacks in a row, all completely avoiding the actual subject because you know you're just blustering without facts...
Yes, a last publicly-available figure for Viezu (quite probably the largest of the companies you named) of £2.2m turnover and 14 employees does (...just...) count as multi-million if we're being strictly pedantic. I will cheerfully acknowledge that. Some of that turnover and some of those employees will, of course, be involved in their aftermarket wheel, tyre and bodykit business rather than the remapping.
Do you honestly think it really justifies your original statement, though...?
As for the last one of the three you originally named, Evolution Chips - well, they're even smaller than DMS, although they do at least have a positive net worth.
https://www.duedil.com/company/07258521/motorsport-developments-blackpool-limited
Multi million pound [turnover] companies. You do grasp the concept dont you?
And all things considered, and relative to this thread, WHAT DOES IT REALLY MATTER?
Big players like BT have documented, auditable proof across a fleet of 22,000 vans - theres a fuel efficiency saving to be made with the right remap.
The O/P now has that information and can pursue it if they so desire.- You said it was nigh on impossible for a power increase to improve MPG
- You sneered that "a man and his wife" working from a shed could know more than the car manufacturers and you've now been given actual proof that it can and is being done.
- You sneered at people on here with between us decades of experience using remaps and tuning boxes and confirming efficiency gains and you said we were all wrong.
- You sneered that some of us have talked to businesses who confirmed a fuel efficiency with a remap, saying they were wrong too.
All now disproven.
You're now trying to deflect how wrong you are by clutching at the straw of semantics of the size of some of these organisations. The thread was never about that.
Why cant you just admit you were wrong?0 -
Ah, go on. You can do it. Three contentless personal attacks in a row, all completely avoiding the actual subject because you know you're just blustering without facts...
Yes, a last publicly-available figure for Viezu (quite probably the largest of the companies you named) of £2.2m turnover and 14 employees does (...just...) count as multi-million if we're being strictly pedantic. I will cheerfully acknowledge that. Some of that turnover and some of those employees will, of course, be involved in their aftermarket wheel, tyre and bodykit business rather than the remapping.
Do you honestly think it really justifies your original statement, though...?
As for the last one of the three you originally named, Evolution Chips - well, they're even smaller than DMS, although they do at least have a positive net worth.
https://www.duedil.com/company/07258521/motorsport-developments-blackpool-limited
There you go - i've added the subtext that everyone else understood but you didnt.Dont for one minute assume that remapping companies are all two blokes in a shed.
Try having a look at DMS Automotive, Superchips, Evolution Chips, Bluefin - all multi million pound turnover companies and often supplying remaps worldwide.
One word, and you're now basing all your argument on it.
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There you go - i've added the subtext that everyone else understood but you didnt.
Oh, I did, thanks. The difference is that I understand what those financials represent.
Umm, so we've found precisely one remapper (who target the corporate fleet market) that JUST squeeks into that category (albeit including their wheel/tyre/bodykit business). And then there's all the ones you actually name checked, none of whose financials look like they're anywhere near. One of them's barely solvent, from the few details we can see. Because, of course, they're all trading under total exemptions from having to submit full accounts to CoHo, since their balance sheets are all <£3m and turnovers <£6m.One word, and you're now basing all your argument on it.
:rolleyes:
But getting back to the whole point of this - Yes, they all have the facilities and resources to improve upon the work of the OEMs' own massive internal development teams, absolutely they do. Of course. Christ, two-thirds of the businesses you name-checked have net worths below even the list price of a single Mondeo.
BTW, which of the brands do you supply?0 -
Oh, I did, thanks. The difference is that I understand what those financials represent.
Umm, so we've found precisely one remapper (who target the corporate fleet market) that JUST squeeks into that category (albeit including their wheel/tyre/bodykit business). And then there's all the ones you actually name checked, none of whose financials look like they're anywhere near. One of them's barely solvent, from the few details we can see. Because, of course, they're all trading under total exemptions from having to submit full accounts to CoHo, since their balance sheets are all <£3m and turnovers <£6m.
But getting back to the whole point of this - Yes, they all have the facilities and resources to improve upon the work of the OEMs' own massive internal development teams, absolutely they do. Of course. Christ, two-thirds of the businesses you name-checked have net worths below even the list price of a single Mondeo.
BTW, which of the brands do you supply?
For the avoidance of doubt, are you now admitting you were wrong about remapping not being able to improve fuel efficiency, given the now overwhelming evidence?0 -
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No, I'm being sarcastic. I apologise for assuming you would be able to tell that, given the context of that sentence.For the avoidance of doubt, are you now admitting you were wrong about remapping not being able to improve fuel efficiency, given the now overwhelming evidence?I did, but I don't see how it's relevant. They have about £1m in assets and £800k in liabilites. They'd still need a multi-million £ turnover to sustain that. Ergo they are a multi-million pound company. Do you disagree?
Yes. All they'd need is a mortgage on their premises, or other long-term finance.0 -
No, I'm being sarcastic. I apologise for assuming you would be able to tell that, given the context of that sentence.
Yes. All they'd need is a mortgage on their premises, or other long-term finance.
So are you going to admit you were wrong about remapping not being able to improve fuel efficiency, given the now overwhelming evidence?
This is like shooting fish in a barrel now....0
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