Dementia Home wanting to expand into semi detached neighbour

brindlebum

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Next door neighbour only moved in 4 months ago - young(?) couple about to start on renovation (or not as the case may be).

Now that is what I call timing on behalf of the carehome. They've been watching and monitoring for a while probably then and are, quite likely, now thinking:

"Neighbours have been there less than 6 months (ie well-known difficulties in selling a house on within 6 months to anyone needing a mortgage). Get in there quick after that house - now that they've had the chance to work out likely cost/hassle of the renovation of that house and might be wondering whether they really wish to go through that. Offer them a bit of a premium and then start playing silly b&ggers about the price to actually pay - once they've swallowed the hook and are well on the way to selling to us.

Stage 2 - end neighbour (ie OP) is now sitting duck for getting theirs too".

Yeah, this is the problem - we're trying to second guess what their game plan is! They've come across as being all open and just exploring possibilities to let us know whats going on, but I do suspect they have a more strategic gameplan to follow... I still don't really get why they didn't just buy it at market value (or a little over) from the previous owners - it was on the market for a number of months, but what you say above also makes sense...

Given all of that, I think your proposal of teaming with the neighbours is the only way for us to go ahead and the only way that really shifts the balance of power.

AdrianC

brindlebum wrote: »

I'm clearly not choosing to move - it's not my wish to move anywhere.

Great. So you'll still be there in ten years, whatever happens next door.

If not, then it's because you've chosen to move. Unless they somehow get a compulsory purchase order for your property. Anything above and beyond that is entirely down to why influences your conscious, voluntary decision to move.

You're completely ignoring my point about the value depending on whether or not our objection would threaten their plans

You've not given any valid grounds for objection.

As I've stated they aren't wandering round my garden.

So why keep on raising something that you acknowledge doesn't happen?

moneyistooshorttomention

That is the one question here - ie why they didnt take up the chance of buying next door when it came on the market some months back - rather than trying now.

I might well be "wicked" and ask them outright and see what the response was to that question if I were your neighbour. You might catch them off guard and get some clues on what the answer to that question is. Few people would be blunt enough to ask them....

Maybe they hadn't done their accounts up square at that point in time and can now see they've got some money washing around to expand with?

Maybe they did that deliberately (ie let someone else buy it at standard type value and intended all along to buy it on from them and play a gazundering game to get it)? Perhaps the previous owner of next door was more savvy than this young couple that now own it and they didnt think they'd manage it with them?

Maybe they genuinely didnt wish to expand originally - but someone somewhere has just "blown their top" and said "We gotta expand - right now"?

Who knows?

It's very very rare to have every single bit of information one would like about what the other party/parties involved are thinking/doing. One just has to make the best of what information one does have basically.

Person_one

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

That is the one question here - ie why they didnt take up the chance of buying next door when it came on the market some months back - rather than trying now.

I might well be "wicked" and ask them outright and see what the response was to that question if I were your neighbour. You might catch them off guard and get some clues on what the answer to that question is. Few people would be blunt enough to ask them....

Maybe they hadn't done their accounts up square at that point in time and can now see they've got some money washing around to expand with?

Maybe they did that deliberately (ie let someone else buy it at standard type value and intended all along to buy it on from them and play a gazundering game to get it)? Perhaps the previous owner of next door was more savvy than this young couple that now own it and they didnt think they'd manage it with them?

Maybe they genuinely didnt wish to expand originally - but someone somewhere has just "blown their top" and said "We gotta expand - right now"?

Who knows?

It's very very rare to have every single bit of information one would like about what the other party/parties involved are thinking/doing. One just has to make the best of what information one does have basically.

OP, I think you'd be best advised to completely ignore this post. Getting paranoid and over-confrontational won't do anything to help your situation.

Care homes are very rarely the orchestrators of sinister conspiracies!

sparky130a

Person_one wrote: »

I can't quite believe what I'm reading on this thread!

You surely don't genuinely believe that there is absolutely no difference between a semi with a care home next door but one, and a very large care home with one private residence attached at one end of it?

OP, I don't think you're being a nimby at all, you've clearly been living perfectly happily with the care home very close for all this time, you just don't want to find yourself living in what would basically be your own private wing of the care home. That's completely understandable!

Attached?.....

Person_one

sparky130a wrote: »

Attached?.....

brindlebum wrote: »

We own a large semi-detached Victorian house, the other side of which is next door to a detached, fairly substantial nursing home which caters for dementia patients. The home is made up of a terrace of three houses which they have expanded onto another previously detached house, so it has a pretty large frontage already.

The nursing home have decided they wish to expand. Their proposal to do this is to buy our adjoining neighbour’s house from them and build across the gap to make it part of their existing property.

From the OP...

sparky130a

Person_one wrote: »

From the OP...

Yes, all very good. But the point stands, the neighbour has no desire to sell.

So where's the issue?

Besides which you cannot conjoin a residential property to a commercial one on a whim.

moneyistooshorttomention

Person_one wrote: »

OP, I think you'd be best advised to completely ignore this post. Getting paranoid and over-confrontational won't do anything to help your situation.

Care homes are very rarely the orchestrators of sinister conspiracies!

Why not ask a question that they must know would have occurred to OP's neighbour?

Hardly "orchestrators of sinister conspiracies". It's just the case that businesses and politicians tend to have strategies they operate by. It's fair enough to try and work out what the strategy of the Other Party is imo. The Care Home won't have any "feelings" about this/concern about OP and neighbour - just a business strategy they are trying to follow.

That's a motto that has served me well over the years - ever since someone told me that I really must "put myself in the shoes" of the Other Party in a major issue that concerned me. They said that I would never realise what way they were thinking/how they were going to operate if I didn't do so and would respond to them in completely the wrong way and I would lose because of it. I wasn't very happy to be told that at the time - but realised my adviser was absolutely correct in what they had just said to me and sat down and tried to "put myself in their shoes" and things went much more successfully for me after that.

That was when I learnt that moral outrage/Right on my side wasn't enough (or anything like) to have a successful conclusion to anything.

Doozergirl

Money, the strategy is to expand. And make more money. There's nothing else to think about.

What does it matter if they didn't buy it before? Your brain is too busy. Again.

WibblyGirly

I've lived in a flat within the grounds of a care home and it was hands down the worst place I've lived, not due the residents but the staff!

I also can't believe some of the posts here just dismissing the fact that OPs house will devalue if the care home buys next door and expands! Wether they move now or in 10 years it's still relevant as it will be a permanent detriment to their house.
I agree with the suggestions of teaming with your neighbour and they either buy both or neither. After my experiences I wouldn't live so close to a care home.