War on Diesels

iantojones40

Strider590 wrote: »

All they're doing is trying to boost new car sales, just as they did in 2008(ish), give it 10 years and they'll be telling us that electric cars are in fact evil.

This. 100%

gzoom

jobdone1 wrote: »

F3vk the bribe I'm keeping my 2.0 2004 vectra diesel. I ain't being forced into a sh11ty petrol engine. I think this MINE AND YOURS tax payers money need to be spent on much more urgent things such as social care. You green tree lovers take a hike.

I'm still not sure why people get so angty about these things, do some reading into the future of energy generation and your hopefully see the world is going to change ALOT in the next few decades in regards to moving away from a dependence on fossil fuels.

Germany got 30% of their electricity last year from renewable energy gee renewable, and now have the 'problem' of dealing withh TOO MUCH cheap renewable energy in their national grid!! So much so they are having to slow down the building of wind turbines.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/11/germany-takes-steps-to-roll-back-renewable-energy-revolution

I cannot see any good reason why people want to hold on to the dependencne for fossil fuels when renewable energy is getting so cheap and when coupled with battery packs can provide a stable base load.

Can you imagine a world where no one cared about OPEC and their oil fields?? Or a situation where western Europe didn't have to beg Russia for gas/oil?? The influence OPEC currently have on world politics is a joke, every world leader essentially turns into a trained puppy on the subject, OPEC say jump and everyone asked how high.... The desperation to please for the sake of oil is embarrassing.

The UK has some of the best wind resources in the world and all the necessary off shore experience to support big scale off shore wind farms, this isn't about 'tree lovers' its about ensuring energy independence into the next decades without horrifically expensive project s that involve France/China test out their nuclear reactor designs on UK soil.

Encouraging diesels off the roads is just one step in the process.

andrewf75

jobdone1 wrote: »

F3vk the bribe I'm keeping my 2.0 2004 vectra diesel. I ain't being forced into a sh11ty petrol engine. I think this MINE AND YOURS tax payers money need to be spent on much more urgent things such as social care. You green tree lovers take a hike.

Ridiculous comment. Reducing pollution is in everyone's interests. And why would anyone not love trees?

redux

At least the politicians are becoming more generous with the ideas knocking around in their heads.

Two or three years ago Boris Johnson wanted to give £1000 to £2000 to drivers of diesel cars over 12 months old to scrap them.

Someone could have tried some market research. Public subscription to raise £1000 to scrap Boris's own car, see how he liked it.

Surveys commissioned for the government show that nitrogen dioxide levels in most places have fallen by about 2.5 to 4 per cent a year for a while.

But not in London.

Let London sort its own problem out, without blaming the rest of the country.

Johno100

andrewf75 wrote: »

Ridiculous comment. Reducing pollution is in everyone's interests. And why would anyone not love trees?

You clearly haven't seen the amount of crap the council owned trees that overhang my drive drop on my car during the spring and summer. Cleaned one day and covered in a sticky goo the next.

almillar

I'm not with you? Surely thats the point of scrappage?

That's the point I'm making - you get a £4,500 grant for buying an electric car. That leaves you to sell or trade in your diesel car as well. That's better than a scrappage scheme!

motorguy

almillar wrote: »

That's the point I'm making - you get a £4,500 grant for buying an electric car. That leaves you to sell or trade in your diesel car as well. That's better than a scrappage scheme!

Ah right - with you now.

Nasqueron

Strider590 wrote: »

All they're doing is trying to boost new car sales, just as they did in 2008(ish), give it 10 years and they'll be telling us that electric cars are in fact evil.

UK car sales are booming - higher than pre-crunch. 2008 was about boosting the car industry as part of the general approach to helping avoid the country going into meltdown and obviously getting rid of polluting inefficient old cars. In 12 years if batteries have improved enough, most will drive a mixture of hydrogen, electric and probably hybrids.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/06/new-uk-car-sales-electric-vehicle-drives-12-year-sales-high

redux

caprikid1 wrote: »

Sorry but diesel owners have had their £3500 in reduced road tax. The rest of us have subsidised them. Why should they get further money from the tax payer.

My vehic!e tax wasn't reduced at all. In 13.5 years of owning this car I've paid nearly £3000 of vehicle tax

People who have owned a car less time will have paid less than me, and so although rates were cut a couple of years after this car was made nobody at all has had £3500 of vehicle tax subsidy on a diesel.

I've also paid nearly £15000 in duty and VAT on fuel and repairs and spare parts.

So the taxman has had four times as much as I originally paid to buy this car.

Compare that to an electric car.

The government gives a capital grant of £4000 or £5000 towards buying it.

The mileage it does incurs no tax per mile - note that if I was allowed duty and tax free fuels I could also manage 2 or 3 pence a mile fuel cost.

Some public facilities give away electricity for charging, though admittedly Ecotricity has now introduced fees.

There is no such thing as zero emissions with electric cars.

However, there may be some point in buying certain electric cars secondhand now. Four or five year old ones are available with only a few thousand miles for a few thousand quid, so someone, or perhaps a publicly spirited local council, has taken a depreciation hit of £1 to £4 a mile.

Boris Johnson promised to vastly increase the number of electric cars in London, and spectacularly failed to do so.

andrewf75

Johno100 wrote: »

You clearly haven't seen the amount of crap the council owned trees that overhang my drive drop on my car during the spring and summer. Cleaned one day and covered in a sticky goo the next.

yeah OK, but an annoyance with a particular tree is a bit different to a complete disregard for the welfare of trees in general....!