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War on Diesels

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  • caprikid1
    caprikid1 Posts: 2,472 Forumite
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    Sorry but diesel owners have had their £3500 in reduced road tax. The rest of us have subsidised them. Why should they get further money from the tax payer.
  • Zola.
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    Because the government told them all to buy diesels in the first place?
  • caprikid1
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    Told them ?
  • Zola.
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    Yes, the government told/encouraged/pushed/whatever people down the diesel route not that long ago as it was supposedly 'cleaner', this is ultimately their fault, and so I think a reasonable scrappage offer is more than fair.
  • neilmcl
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    caprikid1 wrote: »
    Sorry but diesel owners have had their £3500 in reduced road tax. The rest of us have subsidised them. Why should they get further money from the tax payer.
    We got reduced "road tax" because we were contributing to saving the planet, or so we were told. You (petrol car owners) haven't been subsidising anyone.

    Although anyone thinking a scrappage scheme that will cover all diesel vehicles should really stop reading the Daily Mail, it's not going to happen.
  • Zola.
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    It will cover old models (say 10 years and up), surely?
  • Johno100
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    Zola. wrote: »

    Hold up! He wants the UK pay taxpayer to fund a £3,500 per vehicle scrappage for just those who live in London, the most prosperous city in the country with the highest wages?
  • Nasqueron
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    caprikid1 wrote: »
    Sorry but diesel owners have had their £3500 in reduced road tax. The rest of us have subsidised them. Why should they get further money from the tax payer.

    Nobody pays road tax as it doesn't exist.

    The annual fee is VED which is based on CO2 emissions (or engine size for older cars). Diesels can pay less VED because they can have lower CO2 emissions (not NOx of course but that isn't how it's calculated). A small efficient petrol engine pays less than say a big 3L diesel in a BMW X5

    Childless people subsidise those who have kids. The kids subsidise the elderly. The rich subsidise the poor. So on and so forth

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • Zola.
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    Nationally it will be a tricky one to pull off.

    What about the thousands of tradesmen who drive diesel vans, all the trucks out there....or anything really pulling heavy equipment and providing services.


    For old cars I think its a great idea. I have an old VW diesel thats probably not very clean at all, but its running very well. I need the incentive to change it..
  • DoaM
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    Johno100 wrote: »
    Hold up! He wants the UK pay taxpayer to fund a £3,500 per vehicle scrappage for just those who live in London, the most prosperous city in the country with the highest wages?
    I’m urging government to immediately review this policy, and today I’ve delivered a detailed report on how it can deliver an effective national diesel scrappage fund. One that both fairly compensates motorists and rapidly helps clean up our filthy air.

    As quoted from the article.
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