Parking Dispute

New_Guy_2016

comeandgo wrote: »

If they persist in parking there, there is absolutely nothing you can do. You have started a battle you can not win.

Not true and I have started no battle. I would hardly say a polite conversation which did not end with a good outcome a battle

tho_2

New_Guy_2016 wrote: »

Fair play and everyone is different. I have been brought up to respect others and think about my actions before I do them. So for me I can see how this is affecting other people and would not do it but I can see your point that everyone has different morales and views.

Not sure what you mean by the site housing committee/management as Miller who built the houses have left a while ago as the site is complete. I have emailed the sales woman who we dealt with on the site but would have thought once they leave a site that they are not responsible after a while but then I may be wrong. Yeah I have responded to another poster that a compromise may be next as unless we can legally stop them then it will just turn into a long feuded nightmare I suppose

We pay a service charge management fee annually. Its for maintenance of the shared areas of the estate (bits of greenery, the pond, the shared parking spots, the children's play area), therefore our builders (well the management company they set up) are still responsible. I'd be a bit surprised if as a new estate, there isn't something set up. Particularly as you have shared parking spots, someone has to be responsible for the upkeep. Check your deeds, if they don't say, Miller should provide you details.

Aylesbury_Duck

New_Guy_2016 wrote: »

Well not necessarily, just I will not jump to anything hasty until I know it does not affect the other Neighbours or they agree.

For instance when those Visitors spots are blocked by visitors and some permanent bays are free they never park there so could easily arrange with the neighbours to block the visitors spaces permanently with our own cars and agree any visitors can use our permanent bays. So in essence swapping the permanent and visitors bays which is not illegal and he does not know we have done that although may figure it out in time

It's a thought, but if he is as selfish as you expect, you'll wake up one morning to find his vehicles in your allocated spaces. After all, if you've instigated a free-for-all, why should he be excluded.

MEM62

Billy_Bullocks wrote: »

But if the visitor spots are taken by other visitors, where would yours park?

That's not the point is it?

The spaces are allocated for visitors - not other residents commercial vehicles.

Mercdriver

New_Guy_2016 wrote: »

Actually it does matter as if my 2 spaces are taken up and I have a visitor where do they park. The way my house is situated which is on a bend there is no place to really park on the road where it would not block or impede people hence the reason for the visitors space.

Plus there is someone who regularly comes visiting one of the flats who only have 1 space and they have to park on the street quite a bit away as to not block anyone.

Each to their own if you don't mind then fair enough but it is also principal and not just ignoring something that is wrong just because it may not affect you at all or much

How many times has it affected you?

Be careful of trying to be the estate policeman, as it can end badly for you and others who you think you are standing up for may not back you up when you end up in a full on neighbour dispute.

You are of course morally right, but you have to live with these neighbours, and neighbour issues can cause issues with house sales.

New_Guy_2016

Mercdriver wrote: »

How many times has it affected you?

Be careful of trying to be the estate policeman, as it can end badly for you and others who you think you are standing up for may not back you up when you end up in a full on neighbour dispute.

You are of course morally right, but you have to live with these neighbours, and neighbour issues can cause issues with house sales.

Luckily at the moment not recently as we are down to 1 car but will be back up to 2 soon so visitors will need to use that spot but for me that is not the issue. As I believe if someone is doing wrong then someone needs to stand up and point it out regardless how much it affects them.

Probably a bit more extreme but if the neighbour down the road was constantly harassing another neighbour do we all just stand by and watch as it does not affect us.

I agree even though all the neighbours do not like it, it does not mean they are willing to do something about it past putting up signs

phoenix_w

comeandgo wrote: »

If they persist in parking there, there is absolutely nothing you can do. You have started a battle you can not win.

Agreed that the OP has started a battle, although I reckon there's a way to win it. They should have had a "visitor" come and block them both in for a while - leaving a note in the windscreen to call at number xxx if they want to be let out. Do this a few times - sometimes letting them out immediately, sometimes making them sweat a bit (I'll move it after I've finished my brew/crossword/4000 piece jigsaw I just started) and be extra polite in telling them that the visitor *had* to block them in because there were no visitor spaces. I imagine that would get the message to sink in.

unforeseen

It is not the OPs land though. None of the parking spaces are owned by any of the householders unless the deeds specifically state which bays belong to which dwelling.

New_Guy_2016

DavidP24 wrote: »

I am afraid that is what this forum is like, people feel unable to engage you in meaningful discussion or debate, so they insult you.

The general rule kids are taught in school about social media is not to say anything online that you would not say in person to someone you know or don't know.

Keyboard Warriors, Trolls or just plain Waaarrnnkeers if they spoke to you like that in a pub they would get a smack so of course they come onto forums and try to gain importance because in real life they are puny little shities.

Do not take it personally, they can't help themselves and for some it is "care in the community" and cheaper than locking them up as we might have done in days of old.

I do not mind the abuse, I do not mind if they have meaningful debate but what bugs me is when it has sweet FA to help the OP (you in this case).





Reading what you put here I can see a few problems

You did not explain to him the impact of what he was doing and how it did indeed harm others, namely your visitors.

You implied you had some authority that you do not actually have; enforcement.

As it is a new development you might want to go door to door (except his) and form a residents association, offer yourself up on the committee of that. Then later raise the issue of inconsiderate parking, maybe put in a byelaw in conjunction with any local Parish Council.

A residents association has more clout with the developer than a single or a few residents but hard to see what developer can actually do.

You REALLY want to avoid using a parking enforcement company, just ask Harvester, but also it makes life of your bona fide visitors hell AND it costs you money.

You need to start gathering evidence, if you can view the space from your window then stick a CCTV on it with movement sensor or just take photos of the cars morning noon and night for a month.

You then need to look into laws of trespass and nuisance if what you are saying is true about there being something in your deed and not his. I would speak to a solicitor and get proper legal advice, then maybe a solicitors letter.

"private nuisance, where the actions of the defendant are "causing a substantial and unreasonable interference with a [claimant]'s land or his use or enjoyment of that land"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance_in_English_law

Speak to your lawyer.

Thank You and yes all good advice and will be staying away from clamping companies etc.

I agree but in this day and age these so called Keyboard Warriors who would jump at the sight of a mouse now have a platform to make themselves into big boys.

I am not a violent person but will give back as good as I get but anything I say online is the same as I act in person. But you are right, better to ignore these kinds of people

New_Guy_2016

unforeseen wrote: »

It is not the OPs land though. None of the parking spaces are owned by any of the householders unless the deeds specifically state which bays belong to which dwelling.

You are potentially right and after all the comments and evidence I looked at then it seems the most is my deeds say I have right of use and theirs does not. What I can do with that I don't know.

But as useless as it may be I was at least hoping they would realise that hogging spaces that are meant for visitors is wrong and not respecting the other neighbours