Electric cars

buglawton

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

Didn't look, but is that a standard surface/perforation differential clause? ... if so I wonder whether it's substantially different from most others! ...

HTH
Z

The no-to-mg page talks about the rust clauses of the warranty excluding non forward facing panels. Unfortunately for that ZS owner there's serious unsightly rust appearing everywhere especially underbody sides after 7 months. I'd say it's not just a matter of underseal, it as if the galvanising is deficient. There are scattered reports of this with ZSs elsewhere but they are hard to find using Google.

I'm also concluding that the no-to-mg page has been excluded from Google via an interested party applying for the 'Right to be Forgotten' law to be applied to the page.

PS you're referring to part of the wrong website being hard to find. I meant the owners website page not MG's.

Martyn1981

Nothing exciting and new here, but a nice pleasant and simple summing up of the US and BEV buses. Plus I didn't know that some were already using induction charging (+120 miles per day), fuel costs are 20c a mile leccy v's 80c for diesel.

Why The US Trails China In Electric Buses

gzoom

AdrianC wrote: »

Anything even vaguely in the direction of a quid a mile to rent a car for local pootling is just mind-meltingly stupid.

Really??

My parents bought a new Mazda 6 petrol in the last scrappage scheme, base spec + metallic paint for £14k back in 2009. They have kept it for 10 years, and nothing has broken on it with no extra costs but annual service. They live in London so literally only use if for 'local pootling'.

You would think thats pretty cheap motoring, keeping a modest priced car for 10 years versus out £70k EV?

Here are the cost per mile figures using Autotrader deprecation figures.

Base spec 2009 Mazda 6 is £2k now, £14k deprecation in 10 years - great, but the kicker is because they live in London the car had only done 19k, thats 63p per mile in depreciation costs. 30mpg, that's 16p per mile in fuel, 10 years of £200 a year servicing is another 10p per mile. So excluding inflation thats 89p per mile my parents have spent on a very modest reliable family car and keeping it a decade.

Our Tesla has now done 29k, and has depreciated by £20k in that time, so 68p per mile. Fuel costs are 3.5p assuming all overnight electricity bill is for car charging- which it isnt, and £0 servicing cost in 29k, so 71.5p....

So amazingly our £70k+ EV has cost us less to run per mile than my dads 1.8 base spec Mazda 6!!!

I think anyone would find it hard to disagree keeping a £14k Mazda 6 for 10 years isn't a reasonably affordable family car compared to a £70k Tesla.....Yet depending on usage the EV can come out cheaper. Oh I haven't even included road tax costs, or 0% BIK tax coming for EVs if your a buissness user!

AdrianC

Buying a brand new car for 1,900 miles per year means it's expensive to run per mile. Shock, horror.

Depreciation is analogous to the £1/mile lease cost, right? All those other costs are on top.

So can we agree that 68p/mile is less than 89p/mile is less than £1/mile, right?
And 68p/mile is bloody expensive for something as utterly prosaic as a Mazda 6.

If you're going to compare apples with apples, what would the per-mile depreciation on your Tesla be if you'd only covered 1,900 miles/year in it? And what would the per-mile depreciation on the Mazda have been if it'd covered 29k in the same time as your Tesla?

Like you say - usage... And £1/mile for 8k/year is very, very expensive.

buglawton

gzoom wrote: »

Really??

My parents bought a new Mazda 6 petrol in the last scrappage scheme, base spec + metallic paint for £14k back in 2009. They have kept it for 10 years, and nothing has broken on it with no extra costs but annual service. They live in London so literally only use if for 'local pootling'.

You would think thats pretty cheap motoring, keeping a modest priced car for 10 years versus out £70k EV?

Here are the cost per mile figures using Autotrader deprecation figures.

Base spec 2009 Mazda 6 is £2k now, £14k deprecation in 10 years - great, but the kicker is because they live in London the car had only done 19k, thats 63p per mile in depreciation costs. 30mpg, that's 16p per mile in fuel, 10 years of £200 a year servicing is another 10p per mile. So excluding inflation thats 89p per mile my parents have spent on a very modest reliable family car and keeping it a decade.

Our Tesla has now done 29k, and has depreciated by £20k in that time, so 68p per mile. Fuel costs are 3.5p assuming all overnight electricity bill is for car charging- which it isnt, and £0 servicing cost in 29k, so 71.5p....

So amazingly our £70k+ EV has cost us less to run per mile than my dads 1.8 base spec Mazda 6!!!

I think anyone would find it hard to disagree keeping a £14k Mazda 6 for 10 years isn't a reasonably affordable family car compared to a £70k Tesla.....Yet depending on usage the EV can come out cheaper. Oh I haven't even included road tax costs, or 0% BIK tax coming for EVs if your a buissness user!

I bought a new Scrappage deal car for £9.5k in exactly the same way with same history to date. But have done 80k as it's a commuter car. The numbers look very different!

gzoom

AdrianC wrote: »

And 68p/mile is bloody expensive for something as utterly prosaic as a Mazda 6.

You don't live in London do you? My parents neighbor's change to a new C class every 3 years and they are away from the country 6 months of the year, a couple over the road have a brand new TT which is sat in the same spot for months on end. I dare not think how much those cars are costing their owners to be sat there doing nothing.

68p/mile is as cheap as chips for personal transportation in London, a zone 1 day return is £9, given most people only travel a few stops in Zone 1 which is actually only a few miles in overground distance even public transport is around £1/mile in London.

The cost of everything is relative and needs to be taken in context.

In many situations EVs are actually not expensive at all, even with high list prices.

AdrianC

gzoom wrote: »

You don't live in London do you?

Not any more, no. I've got too much sense for that.

But if I still did, I wouldn't own a car. No point - public transport is superb.

My parents neighbor's change to a new C class every 3 years and they are away from the country 6 months of the year, a couple over the road have a brand new TT which is sat in the same spot for months on end. I dare not think how much those cars are costing their owners to be sat there doing nothing.

Their choice, of course. But if they pretend it's anything other than bloody expensive, then it's only themselves they're trying to fool.

a zone 1 day return is £9,

No, it isn't. The off-peak Zone 1 and 2 PAYG Oyster cap is £4.60/day.
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/tube-and-rail-fares/caps-and-travelcard-prices

And, of course, pretty much all of Z1 is within the Congestion Charge zone, and then there's parking to consider...

Martyn1981

Might have come up before, but seems like a solution to both range and having a charging location ....... and I suppose price too if smaller batts are then possible.

ElectReon inductively charges a Renault Zoe in transit

The Israeli company ElectReon Wireless has successfully charged a Renault Zoe inductively while driving. This was achieved along a 20-metre long section of track equipped with coils embedded in a section of road in the coastal town of Beit Yanai in Israel.

During the test, ElectReon proved an energy transmission of 8.5 kW with an efficiency of more than 91 per cent. The company expects to be able to increase the transmission power to over 15 kW within the next few weeks.

I wonder if 15kW's is important as it would mean around 60mph from the charge?

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

Their choice, of course. But if they pretend it's anything other than bloody expensive, then it's only themselves they're trying to fool.

Who says they are trying to pretend it's anything? Not everyone cares about money.

No, it isn't. The off-peak Zone 1 and 2 PAYG Oyster cap is £4.60/day.
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/tube-and-rail-fares/caps-and-travelcard-prices

That's off-peak.

molerat

Rip Off Britain BBC1 today & iPlayer. Real world range compared to advertised and lack of public charger availability being the main beefs.