Electric cars

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Odd, Martyn, that you should be disagreeing with Electrek... I thought they were one of your preferred sources? Or just when they deify St Elon, rather than questioning him?

As for fuel availability - yes, sure, it widened as the technology matured - there was never a backward step... If you're arguing that EVs are a suitable replacement for ICEVs, then shouldn't they be just as easily usable?

Not sure where the disagreement is, it looks like you are just creating one for the sake of pointless argument.

Not sure why you think EV's aren't just as useable, nor why their 'fueling stations' won't also expand in line with deployments.

In fact, I'm not really sure what your point is, and on that, I suspect we both agree.

Martyn1981

According to this article and graph, BNEF seem to believe that more than half of all cars sold in the late 2030's will still have an ICE.

Seems unlikely.

BMW aims to double electric and hybrid sales in next two years

Perhaps the headline should be - "Long term predictor, yet again chooses linear curve over disruption curve"

AdrianC

So, iyho, Supercharger v3 is a technology that's widely available and ready for widespread use - and Electrek are wrong when they say "it means nothing if it’s not widely available", since it absolutely definitely wasn't announced early...

Because, otherwise, shouting about the recharge times using them is a bit... irrelevant, isn't it? If, let's say, there were only three sites available worldwide currently?

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

So, iyho, Supercharger v3 is a technology that's widely available and ready for widespread use - and Electrek are wrong when they say "it means nothing if it’s not widely available", since it absolutely definitely wasn't announced early...

Because, otherwise, shouting about the recharge times using them is a bit... irrelevant, isn't it? If, let's say, there were only three sites available worldwide currently?

I thought as much, you've created a false claim about what I said, just so you can (yet again) respond to one of my posts by attacking me. If you read my post again, you'll see I'm talking about the future .... potential buyers ..... next five years etc etc..

Is there something wrong with you Adrian? Did I accidentally spurn you, or similar, some time in the past. If so, I'm sorry, but you just aren't my type.

AdrianC

Ah, so when you said...

Martyn1981 wrote: »

[I'm assuming many models, from many companies will achieve similar results in the next few/five years.]

...you weren't holding it as any kind of current or short-term Tesla supremacy, just what's going to be happening generically across the market (including Tesla) in the next five years?

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Ah, so when you said...

...you weren't holding it as any kind of current or short-term Tesla supremacy, just what's going to be happening generically across the market (including Tesla) in the next five years?

No. The clue is in what you accidentally, on purpose, didn't quote:

TM3 LR capable of 450 miles when a 20 min fast recharge is added. Is that the end of range anxiety for potential BEV buyers?

To achieve what I posted, you need:

a BEV with a large sized battery,
a BEV that gets good mileage per kWh,
a BEV that can charge at a high rate,

there are not many such BEV's out there yet, but I'm highly optimistic that many companies will be selling many models soon that will be able to achieve 450 miles of range with only a 20 min fast charge top up.

So my post was supportive of all BEV (and potential) BEV manufacturers, whereas you tried to spin the opposite.

Such a shame, such a waste.

Perhaps, if you didn't attack every post I make with nonsense, we could avoid these pointless exchanges, and you wouldn't come over, more and more, like a sad, lonely, desperate troll?

All the best mate.

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

To achieve what I posted, you need:

a BEV with a large sized battery,
a BEV that gets good mileage per kWh,
a BEV that can charge at a high rate,

Agreed. It's just basic maths.
Lots of kWh x lots of miles per kWh + quick to get more kWh = lots of miles without much charge time.

Although, with last month's Model S Long Range announcement of 370 mile EPA, 395 mile NEDC, it's probably fairly likely that the eventual replacement for the long-in-the-tooth Model S will achieve 450 miles without even needing the recharge.

there are not many such BEV's out there yet

Agreed - although the answer is actually "none", except if you're fortunate enough to be in a tiny handful of very specific locations, right?

but I'm highly optimistic that many companies will be selling many models soon that will be able to achieve 450 miles of range with only a 20 min fast charge top up.

Agree, dependent on the availability of very specific infrastructure which doesn't yet exist in the real world.

Great - so we've just established that you actually agree with the point I made.

AdrianC wrote: »

Yes, very impressive. If your route happens to include a Supercharger v3 site.

See, it wasn't hard, was it? All you need to do is stop the knee-jerk ad-hominem, Martyn, and actually read the posts you reply to...

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

Agreed. It's just basic maths.
Lots of kWh x lots of miles per kWh + quick to get more kWh = lots of miles without much charge time.

Although, with last month's Model S Long Range announcement of 370 mile EPA, 395 mile NEDC, it's probably fairly likely that the eventual replacement for the long-in-the-tooth Model S will achieve 450 miles without even needing the recharge.


Agreed - although the answer is actually "none", except if you're fortunate enough to be in a tiny handful of very specific locations, right?


Agree, dependent on the availability of very specific infrastructure which doesn't yet exist in the real world.

Great - so we've just established that you actually agree with the point I made.


See, it wasn't hard, was it? All you need to do is stop the knee-jerk ad-hominem, Martyn, and actually read the posts you reply to...

Hi

But even without the v3 charging network being in place you can commute over 600 miles within 10hrs, including short rest-area breaks where the battery is topped up with superchargers for around 20 minutes ... in 'basic maths' that's an average of over 60mph for 10hours ... that's some going in any vehicle on public roads if you still want to keep hold of your license ... and yes, it has been done in the 'real world'!

:eek: ... can EVs really do that !!!!!! ...:eek::eek: .... :cool:

HTH
Z

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

See, it wasn't hard, was it? All you need to do is stop the knee-jerk ad-hominem, Martyn, and actually read the posts you reply to...

Except that is nothing more than Trump-like 'projection' putting your 'issues' onto others.

You have now changed your comments to agree with what I originally posted, as all of your previous replies were nothing more than lies and trolling, and clearly you needed to find a way out. As apologies go, I think you could have done much better.

Perhaps, if you didn't accidentally (on purpose) mis-read everything I post, we (and this thread) wouldn't have to go through this nonsense every time you want to attack any comments that are positive about BEV's.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Agreed - although the answer is actually "none", except if you're fortunate enough to be in a tiny handful of very specific locations, right?

So it's both "none", and not "none" at the same time. Schrodinger's Ade perhaps? Or just the usual desperation of having to deny everything, even if you then have to immediately point out you are wrong ..... seems ever more desperate and pointless.