Electric cars

NigeWick

Martyn1981 wrote: »

More good news for EV's and battery technology.

Perhaps not such good news as Nissan's #rapidgate debacle means that their larger batteries can't be rapid charged very quickly more than once, or perhaps only at watching paint dry speed if they're already really hot.

Martyn1981

Running with a theme:

India May Allow Sale Of Only Electric Two- & Three-Wheelers From 2025

IEA Predicts 250 Million EVs On The Road By 2030

Last year, the International Energy Agency annual report predicted there would be 125 million EVs on the road worldwide by 2030. Its new 2019 report is out and it has doubled that prediction to 250 million electric vehicles by 2030, assuming the 25 nations that are part of the Clean Energy Ministerial EV30@30 program honor their commitments.

AdrianC

250m EVs on the road by 2030?

There were 1.3bn vehicles on the road in 2016, with some forecasts saying 2bn is now imminent.

gfplux

Thursday Driving from Luxembourg to Sainte Maxime (France) +/-950K we were passed at different time by a Tesla S 100 and a Tesla S 80.
Both with Dutch number plates.
This is not to say they had the same destination but it did prompt a conversation on their ranges and how long it would take to recharge.
We spend a few weeks in the South of France each year and during the last two years I have seen a small number of Tesla S in the area with Belgium and Dutch plates all having travelled +/-1000K.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

250m EVs on the road by 2030?

There were 1.3bn vehicles on the road in 2016, with some forecasts saying 2bn is now imminent.

LOL, I bet waiting nearly 15hrs to respond, yet again with a comparison that isn't EV's, nearly killed you.

BTW, how many of those 1.3-2bn vehicles are WWII wood/coal cooking vehicles?

Soworried

Has anyone got any feedback on the Hyundai Ioniq PHEV plug in?

Due the change in BIK from next year I'm wondering if one of the lower BIK rate cars would suit my purpose.

I mainly travel 200 miles a day, 5 days a week. 100 mile round trip. Could park it up all day in a car park that has chargers.

Now and again I have to do 250 miles in a day but this would be motorways which I believe have super chargers at services?

I've never looked at electric before so any advice would be appreciated.

Martyn1981

PEV's have reached 5% share of market in China and could top 7% by end of year.

China Electric Vehicle Sales Up To 5.4% Market Share

DrEskimo

Soworried wrote: »

Has anyone got any feedback on the Hyundai Ioniq PHEV plug in?

Due the change in BIK from next year I'm wondering if one of the lower BIK rate cars would suit my purpose.

I mainly travel 200 miles a day, 5 days a week. 100 mile round trip. Could park it up all day in a car park that has chargers.

Now and again I have to do 250 miles in a day but this would be motorways which I believe have super chargers at services?

I've never looked at electric before so any advice would be appreciated.

I probably wouldn't bother with a PHEV. You're looking at a maximum of 30miles EV range, with the rest of your journey being petrol lugging an empty battery around. As a result, you will probably see around 50MPG overall, so similar to just an efficient petrol that would be cheaper to buy from the outset.

Charging a PHEV periodically along the journey just wouldn't be practical.

I would be looking at pure EV's if you want to save fuel costs. If you can 100% charge at work everyday, then that opens the door for smaller battery EV's, like the 30kWh Leaf or the Ioniq EV, but practically speaking you probably want at least 40kWh. The cheapest today would be a 41kWh Zoe (battery owned) at around £16k, then a 40kWh Leaf at around £24k. Otherwise you can go for the newer 64kWh EV's, like the Hyundai Kona, Kia e-Niro or the new Kia Soul-EV, but prices are around the £38k region and availability is scarce!

Might as well go for the Tesla M3 if you are considering those IMHO....

almillar

You'll not be stopping for charges mid journey for any worthwhile charging, and you'll not be using super chargers - the plug in hybrid Ioniq doesn't have rapid charging - you can only take 7kW, so that's a couple of hours it'll take to charge. You should 'charge' the petrol tank instead! Most hybrids (Mitsubishi Outlander being an exception) don't have rapid charging. Even the, the Outlander only does around 20kW (?) via Chademo.

Coastalwatch

DrEskimo wrote: »

I probably wouldn't bother with a PHEV. You're looking at a maximum of 30miles EV range, with the rest of your journey being petrol lugging an empty battery around. As a result, you will probably see around 50MPG overall, so similar to just an efficient petrol that would be cheaper to buy from the outset.

Charging a PHEV periodically along the journey just wouldn't be practical.

I would be looking at pure EV's if you want to save fuel costs. If you can 100% charge at work everyday, then that opens the door for smaller battery EV's, like the 30kWh Leaf or the Ioniq EV, but practically speaking you probably want at least 40kWh. The cheapest today would be a 41kWh Zoe (battery owned) at around £16k, then a 40kWh Leaf at around £24k. Otherwise you can go for the newer 64kWh EV's, like the Hyundai Kona, Kia e-Niro or the new Kia Soul-EV, but prices are around the £38k region and availability is scarce!

I have to agree with DrEskimo about the limitations of owning a PHEV. We purchased our Nissan Leaf twelve months ago so owned it through summer and winter alike. I mention that as range in the winter is at it's lowest, in the case of our Leaf about 120 miles so ok for a journey of 100 miles. If you've all day to recharge then there should be little problem with achieving this for the journey home providing a 7kWh charger is available.

I should state that we're retired so our journeys are mostly localised so not generally tested to the distances required. We have embarked on similar such journeys in the depth of winter on the odd occasion and arrived with some 10-20% of battery charge remaining.
I can appreciate your apprehension before making such a change but from our experience of just the one year, then a Leaf with a 40kWh battery should cope. However, other makes of course may well prove more suitable or appropriate for your requirements.