Electric cars

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

So you are also against PV, and the creation of leccy from a free fuel source? I guess you'd rather households got leccy from coal then, and trucks be driven by diesel.

<sigh> Do you really have such a simplistic, black-and-white, extremist view of the world? If somebody isn't uncritically lauding press releases from the rooftops, they must be the spawn of Satan, working unceasingly to destroy everything that's green and pleasant?

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

<sigh> Do you really have such a simplistic, black-and-white, extremist view of the world? If somebody isn't uncritically lauding press releases from the rooftops, they must be the spawn of Satan, working unceasingly to destroy everything that's green and pleasant?

Adrian, all you post is false nonsense and denial. You are not unbiased, you are not constructive, you are not informative. You don't respond to news articles, instead you try to deny them or bury them under gibberish as a distraction.

Now you seem to be calling any news that is good for EV's ...... "fake news".

Over the last year I have been troubled over calling you a troll, and have instead called you a FUD'ster, but your idiotic claims challenging the noise difference between BEV's and diesels (etc) is so pathetically desperate, that it's almost impossible to keep giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Recently you made reference to the delivery of the TMY, so I assume you plan to regurgitate your anti TM3 diatribe over production numbers and delivery. Clearly being completely wrong once is not enough for you, and you need to spin, spin, spin away for another year, or two, or three.

Why are you?

AdrianC

Martyn1981 wrote: »

...but your idiotic claims challenging the noise difference between BEV's and diesels (etc) is so pathetically desperate...

It would help if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, y'know, instead of constantly trying to twist it.

Recently you made reference to the delivery of the TMY, so I assume you plan to regurgitate your anti TM3 diatribe over production numbers and delivery.

Again, we come down to the difference between an "anti-Tesla diatribe" and simple facts... I've consistently referred to the Bloomberg tracker. Let's wait and see for the Q4 production update to see if that's yet again pretty-damn-bob-on, shall we?

As for the Y, I notice you forgot to share the Business Insider article a couple of weeks ago suggesting that Tesla's official internal date was summer 2020 before pilot builds, with ramp up through the end of that year across GF1 (Nevada) and GF3 (China).
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-internal-timeline-for-model-y-2018-11

But it's OK, because Tesla have said those plans have changed in the month since. No mention of which way, though... Any guesses? I mean, it could be forward, even though industry analysts reckoned they were wildly optimistic as it was. But...

Oh, and you also forgot to share the Axios article linked from that, in which St Elon himself is quoted as saying the Model 3 production woes took Tesla to "single digit weeks" from bankruptcy over the summer. Yet production hasn't actually increased much past that, it seems, unless Bloomberg are WAY out. And, really, should the Chair and CEO be boasting about how he's also the lead engineer and personally redesigning the battery pack production line...?

https://www.axios.com/elon-musk-tesla-death-bleeding-cash-a7928b06-3aae-43d7-bdde-5b9c41ef298f.html

No wonder the poor lad's a bit stressed and prone to going off-message. Meanwhile - here's the actual court filings for the "pedo cave" lawsuit... Extension for filings just granted in the last couple of weeks, hearings around April.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7887513/vernon-unsworth-v-elon-musk/

Lemme guess - that's all "diatribe", too?

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

Please point me to where I said EV bin wagons wouldn't happen?

Point me to where I said you said they wouldn't happen. I'm responding you to trying to refute the idea that EV bin wagons aren't quieter, here:

AdrianC wrote: »

Hmm. Let's look at those four benefits.

1. Noise. The illustration shows a bin wagon. Think about the bin wagon that visits your house. How much of the noise of it in operation is from the engine...? Very little. Most is from the hydraulics operating the lifts, and from the bin being emptied - especially recycling collections - and from the compaction of the rubbish once emptied.

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

And I'm so happy that a truck will be able to recharge about 36 miles-worth in 12 hours of pretty damn optimum southern-UK sunny summer daytime conditions, rising to maybe 54 miles in a decade or so's time...

... for free... just by merit of being outside... passively. It can still charge up using whatever fast charging is required for the rest of the battery (minus whatever it gets just by being outside).
Which is kind of convenient because most trucks spend most of their day outside, anyway.



It's unlikely we'll see real vehicles that can do all day driving on solar alone, but no haulier is going to moan about 36 free miles a day. In a diesel truck, that's about 6 gallons of diesel or about £8. For free, just for being outside.



Also please remember that a lot of the world has a warmer climate than the Southern Coast of the UK.


To take a random example that happens to work pretty well, Malta is about 17 miles north end to south end, so a 34 mile round trip. It's also very sunny for a lot of the year. That means an EV truck could do a return trip across the island, every day, for free. What's to FUD about that?

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

... Again, we come down to the difference between an "anti-Tesla diatribe" and simple facts... I've consistently referred to the Bloomberg tracker. Let's wait and see for the Q4 production update to see if that's yet again pretty-damn-bob-on, shall we? ...

Hi

Isn't the issue based on whether the company remains profitable for consecutive quarters any more? ... :whistle:

Odd really, maybe it's time to reassess the ongoing career prospects - fortune telling doesn't seem to be too successful, so probably not best way forward ....

HTH
Z

AdrianC

Herzlos wrote: »

To take a random example that happens to work pretty well, Malta is about 17 miles north end to south end, so a 34 mile round trip. It's also very sunny for a lot of the year. That means an EV truck could do a return trip across the island, every day, for free. What's to FUD about that?

Oh, well, there we go.


It'll work on Malta... An island with a population of less than half a million, where many commercial vehicles are still in service well into their fourth and fifth decade, having been exported from the UK instead of being scrapped.


Hallelujah! The world is saved!

Herzlos

AdrianC wrote: »

Oh, well, there we go.


It'll work on Malta... An island with a population of less than half a million, where many commercial vehicles are still in service well into their fourth and fifth decade, having been exported from the UK instead of being scrapped.


Hallelujah! The world is saved!

Glad you've finally given in to common sense.

It'll also work in southern Europe, North Africa, the middle East, most of India and China, Australia, Indonesia, central America. There's a lot more to the world than Wales.

It'll also work everywhere else but to a lesser extent. For those trucks that aren't operating without sufficient sunlight they just don't choose the solar panel option and forgo the 30 odd miles of free range.

AnotherJoe

Herzlos wrote: »

... for free... just by merit of being outside... passively.
..... It's unlikely we'll see real vehicles that can do all day driving on solar alone, but no haulier is going to moan about 36 free miles a day. In a diesel truck, that's about 6 gallons of diesel or about £8. For free, just for being outside.

It's not for free. There's a cost to the solar panels. And fitting them and replacing them when they are damaged in accidents since they are probabiy thousands of times more vulnerable on a car than on a roof.

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To take a random example that happens to work pretty well, Malta is about 17 miles north end to south end, so a 34 mile round trip.

I would be confident that an island would get much better economic use from solar panels by properly mounting them at the right angle and providing communal charging facilities than random and sub optimal and ever changing placement on a location liable to damage . They would need a tiny fraction of the amount of panels placed on cars.

Herzlos

AnotherJoe wrote: »

It's not for free. There's a cost to the solar panels. And fitting them and replacing them when they are damaged in accidents since they are probabiy thousands of times more vulnerable on a car than on a roof.

I hadn't factored in repair because I'm not sure how durable they are or can be. I suspect they'll also be heavier than a standard (plastic/metal) roof.
I'm pretty sure they'll cost a lot less to fit and maintain over a few years running.

I also realised I got my diesel cost wrong, I was doing 6mpg × 36 miles × £1.30/litre. I need to multiply the £7.80/day in diesel by 4.54 litres in a gallon which gives us a £35/day saving from solar electric over diesel.